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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg well we had a

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great show last week Lloyd Auerbach

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certainly one of her best guests I think

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our listeners agree because I'm looking

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at the comments made there aren't a lot

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of them but those who did listen to him

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really enjoyed what he had to say it was

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one of our most downloaded episodes and

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I was very impressed by his level-headed

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approach to the whole subject by the

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fact that he's not afraid to be

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appropriately skeptical right well we're

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gonna have three in a row of a trifecta

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with level-headed experts right and

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we'll get into that in a moment this is

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one where anytime we have this guest on

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it's gonna be direct it's gonna be

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forthright and we'll even worry as we

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progress whether he'll get so ornery

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he'll just leave it happen yeah you

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could it could you know all bets are off

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we'll explain that in a few moments okay

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so as most of you know despite one's

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better judgment I am a member of MUFON

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and have been for quite a long time we

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know that MUFON has this TV show that

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uses their name called hangar one which

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has got an incredible amount of

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criticisms because of the fact that

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they've put on some cases therefore the

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sensational value not because these

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cases are necessarily credible or even

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MUFON reports Wright himself was it the

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old story of Jackie Gleason and one of

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the presidents seeing the little gray

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man or whatever you know it's for

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nonsense but I'm looking here at the May

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2014 edition of MU fons journal issue

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number 553 so imagine this they've

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published five hundred fifty three

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monthly magazines and that's a lot of

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stuff it's a lot of information and in

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this one Jan n who's their

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international director and has been a

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guest on the power cast by the way

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you know he remarks here that the TV

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show has brought a flood of new

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witnesses that allows people having

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watched this show have taken it

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seriously

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despite the questionable nature of the

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content but that's my editorial comment

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and have reported their experiences but

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some are pretty wacky so he talks about

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supposedly somebody who was travelling

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from Phoenix to San Diego this is back

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in the 1970s and he picked up a

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hitchhiker now we all know that that's

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not necessarily the safest thing to do

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because when you pick up a hitchhiker

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you don't know who they are and what

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they're planning he picked up the

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hitchhiker a gentleman who claimed to be

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et claimed to be an extraterrestrial

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it's one of the things they heard okay

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that's pretty wacky let's get to the

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other one here where somebody claims to

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have befriended a gentleman in the

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military who said he had some important

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information he needed to keep safe and

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then told a story about being followed

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by men in black now it's very possible

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these cases are as described that

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somebody picked up a hitchhiker and that

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person claimed to be et it's also

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possible that there were alleged men and

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black involved in this other case very

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possible but you wonder here whether a

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TV show like that without rageous

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improperly research information attracts

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a crowd of people who are going to

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report wacky stuff I think that's kind

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of a foregone conclusion you know I'm

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just wondering about the guy that picked

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up et didn't he notice that he had a

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long skinny neck and he's like

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paddle-like feet it was only about two

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and a half feet tall well if it was that

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but the person claimed to have assumed a

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human form so it's not tough said

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anybody okay I thought you're talking

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Det no ve T what you know who knows who

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knows what form et might take and who

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knows whether or not the form in which

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we see them is their real form now you

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think back to the movie contact where in

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that movie Jodie Foster supposedly meets

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Beatty who appears to her in the form of

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her late father with whom she had on

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resolve

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dishes whatever and he said that he did

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that to appear more acceptable to her

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not like the creatures and it came from

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outer space who knows what wait a minute

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wait a min

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well done if they have the technology to

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fly between star systems what the hell's

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that guy doing hitchhiking it doesn't

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make sense he wants to see how the other

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half lives what the they ran out of

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trilithium crystal and he had to like

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hitchhike to the nearest star station or

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something well remember his Star Trek

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for the voyage home well they had to get

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those dilithium crystals and of course

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in 20th century earth getting dilithium

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crystals is pretty difficult Scotty had

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to work extra hard he had to use a

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first-generation Apple Macintosh for

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example to create transparent aluminum

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does anyone know what I'm talking about

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is that the one with the whales they had

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to capture the whales they had to

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capture the humpback whales all right

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and that's the one directed by Leonard

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Nimoy right and you know what other film

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he directed I am curious yellow you wish

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three men and a baby really really the

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first one he directed that boy you are

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just you are quite the film buff boy

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well you know do want to let the cat out

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of the bag I've been in touch with Tracy

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Torme and maybe doing a little research

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or 7:01 the movie okay okay all right

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we're looking into current cases by the

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way ladies and gentlemen looking for

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cases like 2013-2014 as a matter of fact

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there is one in the MUFON Journal

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December 25th 2013 one of these

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nighttime sightings or someone's in a

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car and they see this big dark object

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you know one of those typical classic

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style cases that happen at night and you

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know it's funny if you look at the

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reports of UFOs in 2013 we had almost a

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genuine flap there maybe didn't get

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national publicity is in the old days

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but there are lots of sightings not just

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in the MUFON Journal ya know definitely

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was this bike especially in the

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beginning of the year right also in

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Canada Chris rutkowski was on our show

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just a few weeks back talking about the

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Canadian UFO flap what an amazing number

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Lighting's as if ET or whatever the UFOs

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are and we're not saying its et as if

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they have returned to see what's going

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on or maybe because the Arctic caps are

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melting maybe they're being driven south

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right so they can't have their Arctic

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and Antarctic bases anymore right their

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mobile source of Solitude yes the

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fortress of solitude is gonna melt think

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about that maybe the next Man of Steel

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movie Batman vs Superman his Fortress of

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Solitude will have melt it'll have to

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get an apartment in Metropolis or

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something you know rents are pretty hot

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you know working as a reporter you don't

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get a lot of money

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how does he afford it it's even worse

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than Gotham City yeah but Bruce Wayne's

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a billionaire so it doesn't matter oh so

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as is in the arrow TV series Oliver

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Queen is a billionaire although in the

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series now he's an X billionaire we have

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a great guest today and I don't know

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what we're talking about but let's talk

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about our guest and this guest is a

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number one in our book he's somebody

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who's been on the show before and he is

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forthright he is direct oh boy is he he

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takes no prisoners no no he doesn't

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raise Stanford again I sound like a

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broken record I have not met anyone in

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this field that has the 50-plus almost

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60-year history and experience of

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investigating real time going out in the

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field and investigating UFO reports and

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actually gaining incredible evidence

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that is very controversial here at the

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pair cast but you know having seen this

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these presentations and along with a lot

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of other people outside of the field of

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ufology that have seen these this is no

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elite ufology Club is one of our posters

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wined he has made his material available

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to a number of scientists in a number of

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different disciplines and you know if

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you piggy piggy back on top of his

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paleontological work of looking down and

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looking at trackways Ray's been looking

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up for 60 years and and looking at

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trackways in the sky and you know at

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some point

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information is gonna come out and all

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the naysayers and boo birds are going to

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have to take one big giant step back I'm

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really glad that Ray agreed to come on

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the show he's he's pretty shy and

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retiring when it comes to you know

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exposing you know his current thinking

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his current work on radio and on TV but

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he recently had so we're really looking

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forward to having Ray on the show and

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we're gonna hear a lot of really

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interesting stuff as as usual you want

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to sit down you want to get ready for

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this one it's gonna be a doozy ray

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Stanford coming up next with Gene and

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cast calm proud to have race stanford

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back on the power cast as i said before

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we're not just trying to butter him up

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he's always one of her favorite guests

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he's forthright he's honest he's direct

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he takes no prisoners but I think if you

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upset him you'll become his prisoner I

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don't know but anyway ray welcome back

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on the show now I thought of you again

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because if you expect we had James Fox

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who's working on this new UFO

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documentary which is currently called

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7:01 and he mentioned spending a week

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with you Ray can you tell us more about

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that well and he spent I think eight

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days here at least and it was a

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wonderful time he's a mighty fine person

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who I believe is trying to do a really

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bang-up job I'm talking with him and I

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had some talk with him last night I

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think that they may end up with

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absolutely the finest ufo-related movie

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that has ever been done coming way

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beyond anything else his objectivity and

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direct honesty desire to present things

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as they are without exaggeration just

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being factual and so impressed me a lot

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we went through a lot of things when

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James was here and we spent I think two

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days and more at the National Archive

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and of course I think he probably

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mentioned in the interview with that you

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had with him few weeks ago that we came

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across a great document that just

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thrilled me more thrilled than I've had

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in years in which that was written in

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early September 1964 by dr. J Allen

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Hynek to the division of foreign

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technology wright-patterson Air Force

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Base that actually drew the red symbol

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does the Moore had seen on the side of

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the vehicle and indeed it contained the

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V with three lines that I had said in my

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opinon the book was probably the real

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symbol and not the one with the

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with the arrow in his line under that

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does the Moore had told people he had

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seen after he had a quarter conversation

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with Captain Richard T holder who was

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the up range commander at White Sands

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that was the integrated Holloman

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Whiteside saying the sands range which

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means it was used jointly by the Air

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Force and the Army so that was a thrill

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to finally have a confirmation I had

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taken a lot of flack from predictable

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sources that said well for example when

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the late had tied in them he

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said well look I called some more two

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weeks after the event and I asked him to

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send me a drawing of what he saw on the

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side two things I've got this drawing

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and it's an arc with an arrow and

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aligned under it

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well of course but that's what's the

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more I promised that he would he

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promised Richard T holder their brains

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commander at White Sands that he would

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do and he was just doing his patriotic

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duty it was in my opinion there's simply

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a textbook intelligence ploy and a good

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one because I can understand holders

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position he just didn't see that there

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was any reason why the public needs to

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know exactly what Samora saw but if they

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began to get copycat reports from you

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know Joe copycat out there and

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describing the wrong symbol on the side

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they wouldn't have to investigate it and

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this was I think one of the if not the

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major reason why he wanted some more to

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obfuscate the symbol but let me in

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missioning that I mention that the

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obfuscation of the arguments and by dr.

417
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Hynek and his press conference described

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in my Sakura book the obfuscation in

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fact by Zamora for quite a while

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afterward after he had talked to the FBI

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agent Arthur burns was at the request of

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Barnes he suggested that he not get into

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publicly the discussion of the fact that

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there were these little beings there now

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people have asked me and I went over

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this with James Fox quite in detail

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people have asked me not did some or

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really say that these guys were we're

429
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little many guys or where they could

430
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have just been small you know five foot

431
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six humans the answer is they definitely

432
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were small east of there beside the

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North West creosote bush they didn't buy

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the North West

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imprint landing your imprint he stood

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there he was on my right and my Nick was

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on my left and he put his right hand up

438
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about six inches below the branch that

439
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was sticking out there and he said I

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left there on on the rise

441
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he said I'm standing there he said his

442
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head came but this board down below this

443
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branch and I said money in practical

444
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terms what would you what kind of person

445
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what high person would you put there how

446
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would you describe it he said well it

447
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was like a like a low bar maybe ten

448
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years old there was no ambiguity about

449
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it course even with Hynek to him he was

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supposed to tell the truth nothing but

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the truth me was the Air Force

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representative at that time and this was

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not in the public situation but

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ironically when we got over do the press

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conference within the half hour

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afterward at the motel if you read the

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the account verbatim from a tape

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recording in my book at that press

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conference honey as I described it

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foots again and again and walked Hirsch

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Road of radio ke SRC and Sakura said

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well did he tell you about seeing these

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small beings and he said no I mean he

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didn't say anything about any small

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beings to me he described something

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about something that resembled white

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coveralls now supposing you wanna slide

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how suck to grasp or drying that that's

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what I did right after I mean within a

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half an hour after right there on the

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site the more I had discussed this with

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us and told how small these beings were

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now let me ask you a question here so we

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can define it better what value is

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served by not giving so much information

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about the beings I understand maybe you

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want to hide those labels those emblems

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because you don't want fakers to know

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what's going on right but why didn't we

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hear so much about the being seen well

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excellent question of the case and

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here's my hypothesis to explain that I

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believe that the FBI agent felt that if

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he said that there were these little

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guys out there that immediately this

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would lend itself in the public mind to

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the interpretation that little aliens

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had landed there in the craft in other

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words it would it would tilt it toward

490
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the extra-terrestrial interpretation I

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think that in his mind and hearted it J

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Arthur burns the FBI agents mind that

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was a

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perfectly good reason to uh to ask him

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to play that down I think that might

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been the words he used or not to discuss

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it anyway

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because yeah it really would immediately

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it begins to sound like the guy saw

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aliens because we don't usually have for

501
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example in black project craft we don't

502
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usually have a couple of midgets running

503
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them around

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good point for our new listeners and

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folks maybe not up to speed about the

506
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Socorro incident this is one of the

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cornerstone cases in ufology in the

508
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estimation of many ufologists that have

509
00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:11,330
studied this phenomenon for decades this

510
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is one of the most important cases in

511
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Ray's book socorro saucer and a Pentagon

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pantry in my estimation my opinion is

513
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the finest book ever written about a

514
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single UFO case I mean there's you

515
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literally not only do you leave no stone

516
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unturned you want you overturn stones

517
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and found incredible physical evidence

518
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now rate we've had in the last three

519
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:34,640
years there's been an attempt to rewrite

520
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history by by some researchers out there

521
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that have claimed that a letter written

522
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by a professor at a local college

523
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they're written to Linus Pauling

524
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actually the the famous Linus Pauling um

525
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Nobel Prize winner that that this was

526
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:54,410
all the Socorro event was all a hoax by

527
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college students and they put up a

528
00:22:00,550 --> 00:21:58,610
balloon with some flares on it and to

529
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get back of Zamora for whatever reason

530
00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:04,010
now a lot of people have chimed in on

531
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:04,790
this

532
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in my estimation ludicrous

533
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interpretation their explanation Dave

534
00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:11,660
Rudy actus has been very very vocal

535
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:13,960
about it now we did a whole show

536
00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:16,970
discussing this which I recommend that

537
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our listeners go back and listen to but

538
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but what is what is your recent feelings

539
00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:23,060
about this do you think that they with

540
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the 50-year anniversary now of Socorro

541
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do you feel that this case still is is

542
00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:31,970
as important and and as relevant I think

543
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now as it was prior to these revisionist

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before we go on with race Stanford I do

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want to say one thing you know we want

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to be very fair here on the podcast and

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give different viewpoints their

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expression so in the case of the Saqqara

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case the certain bloggers with a certain

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blog who made the biggest splash over

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claiming it was some kind of hoax or

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something we invited that person to come

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on the power cast and he has given us

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every which way of an excuse not to come

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on the show first he didn't have time

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then he had a sensitive job that would

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somehow be impacted if he went on a

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paranormal radio show although he has no

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problem about writing about the

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paranormal about UFOs in print we're not

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gonna mention his name or the blog ray

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okay you know who he is of course but

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restrain myself

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you must restrain yourself because we

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don't want to give this person publicity

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because I feel sometimes outrageous blog

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entries are made his hit bait they want

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to get traffic they can sell ads they

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can get the Google Adsense dollars I

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don't know and then he comes up with

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another blog attacking me and saying

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well he doesn't want to come on the show

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because I've had some financial problems

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which a lot of people have and that's a

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reason not to come on the show but you

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know at the end of the day we have one

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very simple word about that and it's

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called chicken I mean if he feels that

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he has sufficient evidence to support

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his point of view we're happy to hear it

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yeah we wanted to have rayon and this

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person do a debate Ryan he went as soon

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as he heard that forget it

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there was just no no way that he was

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gonna do that and I want to give this

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person any extra publicity or traffic I

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know that after this show he will be

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ranting and raving on that blog about

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how we're treating it that's too bad we

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gave him the chance to be on the show

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all we got were excuses so let's go past

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that but obviously the question is out

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there ray how do you respond to people

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who might take something like this

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seriously okay it's very simple please

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let me go back to my

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days my first days at Sakura and I've

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spent quite a number of business there

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but my very first visit there

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Walter strode of radio KS RC and I were

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sitting having dinner and a restaurant

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there in Socorro and he said oh by the

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way he said I went over to New Mexico

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School of Mines Tech whatever they call

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it there today and talked to Sterling

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colgate who's the guy that - poling it

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gotten a letter from and I asked him

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what he thought about this and he's well

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of course it's it's a it's obviously a

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student prank and he said oh really

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do you know who did it he said no I I

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don't know who did it but he said you

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know look the stars are too far away he

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said people are saying an alien craft

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landed they will it's impossible so it

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had to be a student prank we don't have

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a technology of that type that could do

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what was described but he said it has to

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be because the stars are too far away

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well that to me is not a scientist

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talking sounds more like faith but

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anyway so strode kind of laughed and I

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kind of laughed and you know well that's

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your typical academia got his head in

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the books but not looking at the case

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you're years later this letter crops up

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at where he happens to say to linus

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pauling that was denotes what I think

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that once I don't think it's into that

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two-pump become public he was just

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stating his opinion but but after the

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years had passed just didn't remember

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yet more as the fact that's the way

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people of faith are and does he dare

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come out and say well you know I was

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just you know that was just my opinion

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oh no not after those years in a letter

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to China - bawling I don't think he

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would and here's the problem with the

744
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whole story

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it doesn't match the facts in the first

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place

747
00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:55,720
Lonnie Zamora contrary to the reports

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that you read even in the Air Force

749
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class they'll talk about the distances

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Barry from 800 feet or so that he was up

751
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on the hill he saw the octopus down

752
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below - the more accurate accounts of

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over 400 feet but probably less than 500

754
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feet

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:13,000
the council will tell you that oh well

756
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he parked his car one of them says 120

757
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:16,840
feet from the object in the ravine and

758
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:18,520
and then got out took three steps

759
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,100
started that's not true when I was there

760
00:31:27,210 --> 00:31:23,919
dr. Hynek had been driven there by the

761
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,220
state police sergeant Samuel Chavez

762
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with some more and he asks the more to

763
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have him parked a car exactly where he

764
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parked is and so I stood there in the

765
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door trying to feel is the more felt of

766
00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:39,760
that police car and I know exactly where

767
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:42,340
it was and it was almost exactly 50 feet

768
00:31:45,539 --> 00:31:44,140
from the central line of where that

769
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:45,549
thing was sitting in the ravine and

770
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:47,860
Wednesday Morel finally took steps out

771
00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:51,130
of it out of the car and he took if I

772
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:53,710
remember correctly three steps and Alan

773
00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:55,090
asked me if I would walk off for them

774
00:31:58,649 --> 00:31:56,980
the distance from word Zamora had hit

775
00:32:00,000 --> 00:31:58,659
the ground in a prone position with his

776
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:00,010
head in the opposite direction has he

777
00:32:05,370 --> 00:32:02,140
been trying to do in the army oceans I

778
00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:05,380
walked that off and it was about 35 feet

779
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:08,380
now it's a clear beautiful day let me

780
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:11,650
point out that the wind was gusting out

781
00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:14,530
of the west-southwest and they were dust

782
00:32:19,710 --> 00:32:18,100
up to over 40 miles per hour at times I

783
00:32:21,539 --> 00:32:19,720
don't know where the beecher coming from

784
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:21,549
but we'll ignore them keep that in mind

785
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:22,450
it's very important fact

786
00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:24,850
anyway Tamura saw this thing at Copeland

787
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:28,360
and he still had his glasses on that's

788
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,919
very important they weren't knocked off

789
00:32:34,529 --> 00:32:32,080
until he ran after the engine to take

790
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,539
off engine turned on and in the

791
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:36,159
tremendous roar he finally got up when

792
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,900
he realized he wasn't exploding ran and

793
00:32:42,510 --> 00:32:40,000
bumped into the back left a fender a

794
00:32:45,450 --> 00:32:42,520
bumper the car lost his glasses so he

795
00:32:47,789 --> 00:32:45,460
had a good look within 50 and then 35

796
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:47,799
feet of the thing and the insignia on

797
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:50,700
the side now the story that's been

798
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,289
perpetrated on this case is that well

799
00:32:56,340 --> 00:32:54,640
finally they decided what these guys

800
00:32:58,140 --> 00:32:56,350
must have had a hot air balloon well

801
00:32:58,799 --> 00:32:58,150
there's some big problems with that the

802
00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:58,809
first place

803
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:00,940
the thing was seen by tourists heading

804
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:03,640
into the wedding brother's service

805
00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:05,350
special north side of town and open

806
00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:07,659
Grindr and his son Jimmy had no idea

807
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:09,190
what had happened down south of town

808
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:09,970
with Zamora

809
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,770
but these stores stopped an old green

810
00:33:17,399 --> 00:33:14,080
Cadillac and Jimmy was wiping the

811
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:17,409
windshield and the guy said to Opel

812
00:33:22,260 --> 00:33:20,230
Grindr he said you know you got some

813
00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:22,270
weird pilots flying around here is there

814
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:24,669
this weird aircraft almost took the roof

815
00:33:28,529 --> 00:33:26,620
off of my antenna he said the radio

816
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:28,539
antenna off her car this house saw this

817
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:30,460
thing go over to the southwest of us he

818
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:32,710
said he said I saw a policeman had a bet

819
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:34,270
the hill the direction it had gone let's

820
00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:35,620
keep in mind that then there had to be a

821
00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:37,720
balloon in the air and the morris all

822
00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:40,270
the apparently had a landing in

823
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,059
cosplaying

824
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:43,279
he heard the Ruhr person he looked over

825
00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:45,919
there he saw the flame so this alleged

826
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:47,480
hot-air balloon had to be in the air so

827
00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:50,210
you have to decrease the heat in order

828
00:33:54,489 --> 00:33:51,950
to make the thing to sin now this takes

829
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:54,499
considerable time in first place the

830
00:33:59,289 --> 00:33:56,440
hot-air balloon should not have produced

831
00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:59,299
enough noise that the Moro would have

832
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:02,090
heard it in his police car the wind was

833
00:34:06,129 --> 00:34:04,730
blowing strong it's impossible the first

834
00:34:07,539 --> 00:34:06,139
place they would had to lower the

835
00:34:09,879 --> 00:34:07,549
temperature gradually bring it to the

836
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:09,889
ground okay there was a very short time

837
00:34:13,059 --> 00:34:11,270
that it did some more to get to the top

838
00:34:14,829 --> 00:34:13,069
of the hill in a few more seconds he saw

839
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:14,839
the two occupants out there they were

840
00:34:19,659 --> 00:34:17,599
outside the craft and he then went

841
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,669
around los item that came up 50 feet

842
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:21,440
from it and then the three steps as I

843
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,490
said okay

844
00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:25,280
immediately the thing took up they would

845
00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:27,230
have had to have them having landed it

846
00:34:30,849 --> 00:34:29,030
and cut the dippity route of the hot-air

847
00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:30,859
balloon you would have to reheat it to

848
00:34:34,899 --> 00:34:33,260
make it rise impossible in the short

849
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:34,909
time if you've ever had any dealing with

850
00:34:40,329 --> 00:34:37,250
hot-air balloons as I have it rises up

851
00:34:42,819 --> 00:34:40,339
to 20 feet and takes off directly into

852
00:34:44,859 --> 00:34:42,829
the west southwest wind with the wind

853
00:34:46,899 --> 00:34:44,869
out of the west-southwest that was

854
00:34:49,059 --> 00:34:46,909
gusting at times over 40 miles per hour

855
00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:49,069
and was pretty steady over 30 miles per

856
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,750
hour wouldn't that Mary is pretty

857
00:34:54,579 --> 00:34:52,879
difficult also to control a hot air

858
00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:54,589
balloon I would say so it would be

859
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:56,419
impossible and you wonder what

860
00:35:00,339 --> 00:34:58,250
propulsion they had to propel this thing

861
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:00,349
against this wind but when it got over

862
00:35:04,089 --> 00:35:02,270
near the perlite nella were on the other

863
00:35:05,859 --> 00:35:04,099
side of highway 60 which is west the

864
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:05,869
landing site it took off rather

865
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:08,720
vertically and very rapidly and very

866
00:35:14,859 --> 00:35:12,560
quickly became invisible due to distance

867
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,869
and I would mention here that there was

868
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:16,640
a witness that most people don't know

869
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:18,859
about but several police officers that

870
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:20,750
were friends of New Mexico State Police

871
00:35:26,589 --> 00:35:23,810
Sergeant Sam Chavez told me that he

872
00:35:28,329 --> 00:35:26,599
contrary of what he told the media he

873
00:35:30,460 --> 00:35:28,339
got the radio signal from Zamora

874
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:30,470
tomorrow wanted him to come out there he

875
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,050
came and he did see it far away up in

876
00:35:37,540 --> 00:35:35,119
the sky it when it was was climbing up

877
00:35:39,579 --> 00:35:37,550
away from and then raising elevation

878
00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:39,589
bear in mind this thing did not point

879
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:42,680
its axis exactly in the direction of

880
00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:44,210
travel as it was going up vertically

881
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,700
which is typical of police anomalous

882
00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:48,560
aerial objects so the thing

883
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:50,390
tremendous speed is going up he saw it

884
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:52,010
from the end on there the round

885
00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:53,510
cross-section of it the legs were of

886
00:35:57,010 --> 00:35:54,860
course already inside of it

887
00:36:00,370 --> 00:35:57,020
but it was disappearing rapidly very

888
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:00,380
quickly there is no way that you can

889
00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:03,170
make a hot-air balloon rise very quickly

890
00:36:08,290 --> 00:36:06,260
and in fact go out of sight and I think

891
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:08,300
is really act has shown that the the

892
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:10,010
short time that aspire to go out of

893
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:11,630
sight considering the size would suggest

894
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,390
that it probably became supersonic at

895
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:16,400
that point not only can you not make a

896
00:36:19,420 --> 00:36:17,990
hot air balloon go supersonic but even

897
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:19,430
if you don't assume it was supersonic

898
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:22,670
it's it's it's climbing up what's making

899
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:25,100
it to stay in a vertical climb an almost

900
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:26,450
vertical climb slightly into the

901
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:29,180
southwest against the southwest wind

902
00:36:33,940 --> 00:36:31,010
instead of being blowing off blowing off

903
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:33,950
to the east-northeast it's impossible

904
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:36,080
there's a lot more to say and a lot more

905
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906
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:40,490
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1009
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in to the para cast let me tell you what

1010
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:09,290
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

1011
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

1012
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:15,320
that George Noory so we have the claim

1013
00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:19,820
here that is being refuted step by step

1014
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:22,520
inch by inch from race Stanford

1015
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:25,930
explaining why the Socorro New Mexico

1016
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:28,670
UFO could not have been a hard air

1017
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:31,880
balloon even if you ignore the two small

1018
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:34,730
beings so we can't have supersonic ray

1019
00:41:39,490 --> 00:41:36,980
we can have supersonic I'd air balloons

1020
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:39,500
unless that's itself some kind of alien

1021
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:42,920
phenomenon it does it surely don't we

1022
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:44,390
won't even talk about the physical

1023
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:46,570
evidence left behind at the site I mean

1024
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:49,070
let me mention one aspect of physical

1025
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:51,350
evidence that there was there was a

1026
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:54,380
television broadcast which there was

1027
00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:56,180
analysis down homes ago there was

1028
00:42:00,190 --> 00:41:57,950
analysis done at a lab from some of the

1029
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:00,200
saw level ravine and it was determined

1030
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:03,050
that nobody could have melted the soil

1031
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:05,450
with a boot arch in fact they would have

1032
00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:08,330
taken a sustained heat at over 1,400

1033
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:11,360
centigrade to produce that saw in an in

1034
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:13,370
a vitrified state a glass if I turned

1035
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,430
the glass and let me say that the first

1036
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:18,800
reports of this vitrified glass came to

1037
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,210
the UFO world from the now late dr. Jim

1038
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:24,800
McDonald the University of Arizona

1039
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:26,180
Tucson he was the senior atmospheric

1040
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:28,970
physicist there James McDonald and he

1041
00:42:32,580 --> 00:42:30,860
had learned it from a lady who I have a

1042
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:32,590
picture of her standing at the site with

1043
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:36,290
with Air Force people and the FBI agents

1044
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,630
her name was last name was May I think

1045
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:39,680
her first name if I'm ever grateful was

1046
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:44,030
Mary and she contacted dr. McDonald and

1047
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:47,390
told him that that vitrified soil from

1048
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:49,730
the site had been taken and analyzed at

1049
00:42:54,580 --> 00:42:52,220
a lab I believe in Las Vegas not Nevada

1050
00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:54,590
but Las Vegas New Mexico well this is

1051
00:43:00,100 --> 00:42:56,660
very interesting because I just

1052
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,110
discovered last week in their first file

1053
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:03,440
on this that the physical evidence was

1054
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:04,880
not taken by the Air Force you see no

1055
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:08,710
mention of except for a search for

1056
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:11,540
hydrocarbons or propulsive materials in

1057
00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:13,250
the

1058
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:15,380
leaves that I helped find it collected I

1059
00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:16,700
gave him the containers to collect him

1060
00:43:20,020 --> 00:43:18,380
in for the air force you see no

1061
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:20,030
dimension you don't see the vitrified

1062
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:22,220
soil mentioned well that was in fact

1063
00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:26,780
taken by captain richard holder he had

1064
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:28,460
told him it's mentioned in the air force

1065
00:43:32,350 --> 00:43:30,200
report that he had indicated that they

1066
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:32,360
had facilities access to facilities

1067
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:34,970
through white sands to get analysis done

1068
00:43:40,510 --> 00:43:37,370
that was then that's how it got over new

1069
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:40,520
mexico and to ultimately the laboratory

1070
00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:43,340
in apparently Las Vegas New Mexico so we

1071
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:45,950
now know the route of it and since it

1072
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:47,870
went through the army it's interesting I

1073
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:51,130
think that in fact my friend crisp

1074
00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:54,530
Lambert in Texas has I think pile to foi

1075
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:58,190
a request one to headquarters for me

1076
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:00,380
intelligence trying to find out what he

1077
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:02,810
can get and they will not answer it yeah

1078
00:44:08,590 --> 00:44:05,210
I mean he they've not responded to his

1079
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:08,600
request and I think the time limit has

1080
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:10,430
at least the first time limit on a

1081
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:12,770
certain type responses passed I could be

1082
00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:14,930
wrong but point is they've never

1083
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:17,000
responded but I think there's there's

1084
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:18,980
where it disappeared to it disappeared

1085
00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:21,620
into army he and not to the Air Force

1086
00:44:25,780 --> 00:44:24,200
and you know I'm not saying that the

1087
00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:25,790
captain holder who's with the army had

1088
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:29,990
idea that a conflict of interest as a

1089
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:32,180
hitter size service rivalry but you

1090
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:35,240
never know anyway that does not show up

1091
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:37,940
no mention of the vitrified soil in the

1092
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:39,650
airforce spouse but I should also say

1093
00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:44,090
that Zamora told me in August of 64 when

1094
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,820
I came back right after the typical that

1095
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:48,800
they got her space bus center about the

1096
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:50,600
metal straight to the rock by the

1097
00:44:55,690 --> 00:44:53,390
landing here he told me that State

1098
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,700
senior patrolmen New Mexico senior

1099
00:45:01,090 --> 00:44:58,880
patrolman Ted the Jordan had been quite

1100
00:45:03,220 --> 00:45:01,100
upset because he tooks what he felt

1101
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:03,230
would be very good ektachrome slides

1102
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:05,930
with this Argus c3 camera at the site he

1103
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:09,500
arrived within very short time a minute

1104
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:12,230
and a half or two at the thing after the

1105
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:14,420
thing was gone he took pictures of all

1106
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:16,730
the evidence he said that I have the

1107
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:19,550
affidavit front end in my book and let's

1108
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:21,770
say he must have had he did have the

1109
00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:23,150
pictures of these so-called

1110
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:24,860
footprints which were kind of crude and

1111
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:27,050
and rough but they seem to be

1112
00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:29,510
Frenship possibly the smaller the intact

1113
00:45:33,610 --> 00:45:30,980
that can't be sure we don't know because

1114
00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:33,620
they were not clear enough but he took

1115
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:35,480
pictures of all of this using a light

1116
00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:37,880
meter he was familiar with and a camera

1117
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:39,980
he was familiar with and so as he told

1118
00:45:43,330 --> 00:45:41,660
me in sessions after that he assured the

1119
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:43,340
pictures turned out perfectly

1120
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:46,610
should have exposure wise but he said

1121
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:49,220
yes Lonnie Zamora since Hynek was going

1122
00:45:52,810 --> 00:45:51,350
to be in town and that all just to ask

1123
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,820
him how come I didn't get my pictures

1124
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:54,800
back and all my pictures back and when

1125
00:46:00,310 --> 00:45:57,410
the more I as he told me talked to Hynek

1126
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:00,320
Piney said well look we couldn't return

1127
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:02,690
it because the film was fogged as though

1128
00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:04,130
by radiation he may have used turned

1129
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,660
black and either black under fog as

1130
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:07,760
though by radiation that kind of

1131
00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:09,770
evidence could lead to stuff to possibly

1132
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:11,750
insight into a highly sophisticated

1133
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:14,360
propulsion system and the pictures could

1134
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:16,760
not be returned to the region well if

1135
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:18,410
anyone was to think that Smith they'd

1136
00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:20,090
better think again because I have

1137
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:21,980
offered and he will be using in the

1138
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:24,140
movie James March will be using in the

1139
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:26,900
movie uh phenomena 701 I think that's

1140
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:29,690
the right title he will be using a high

1141
00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:31,970
quality video tape that I had made in

1142
00:46:36,670 --> 00:46:34,190
Austin of Allen Hynek sitting right out

1143
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:36,680
in front of our executive office

1144
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:38,570
building in Austin and I asked him

1145
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,690
point-blank dr. Haney did you tell that

1146
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,520
to Sam or did the Air Force tell you

1147
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:45,200
that that is the reason they didn't

1148
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:46,940
return the film and he confirms it

1149
00:46:52,210 --> 00:46:50,600
absolutely and unequivocally so we have

1150
00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:52,220
a difficult thing here for the

1151
00:46:57,250 --> 00:46:55,160
University hoax one is if in fact it was

1152
00:46:58,930 --> 00:46:57,260
irradiated it had to explain where they

1153
00:47:00,580 --> 00:46:58,940
got an isotope that was so strong that

1154
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:00,590
it could have radiates the film taken

1155
00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:02,600
that night but the next morning people

1156
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,150
successfully got pictures it would take

1157
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:07,520
a very unusual very short half-life

1158
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:11,270
isotope the other problem is is if you

1159
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:12,290
don't want to believe the film was

1160
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:13,430
irradiated you can believe that they

1161
00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:14,690
simply didn't want to return it because

1162
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:16,760
it showed too much evidence including

1163
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:19,280
the vitrified saw and so you can take

1164
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:20,930
either one of the patients what they

1165
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:23,090
gave or something just as interesting

1166
00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:24,530
that they just didn't want to have the

1167
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:26,060
pictures back that cause it showed the

1168
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:28,070
vitrified soil the speaking of

1169
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:30,680
photographs ray why don't you mention a

1170
00:47:37,450 --> 00:47:34,730
very intriguing recent revelation that

1171
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:37,460
you had when you were analyzing a

1172
00:47:41,050 --> 00:47:40,490
photograph that you took of allen

1173
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:41,060
hynek's

1174
00:47:47,380 --> 00:47:44,090
back as he was taking a stereo scopic

1175
00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:47,390
photograph of the site the direction of

1176
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:50,630
where the craft had evidently flown at

1177
00:47:56,650 --> 00:47:53,750
that point now for our listeners please

1178
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:56,660
understand that Ray was there right when

1179
00:48:00,820 --> 00:47:58,610
all the government investigators were

1180
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:00,830
arriving right when you even got there I

1181
00:48:04,750 --> 00:48:03,050
think before Hynek did so so we're

1182
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:04,760
talking what two days I think after the

1183
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:07,010
event or the day after is that correct

1184
00:48:14,290 --> 00:48:11,120
no not not the day after I arrived on

1185
00:48:15,970 --> 00:48:14,300
the gift was the 28th and on the evening

1186
00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:15,980
the 28th and Hynek in fact had just

1187
00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:19,190
arrived and therefore I I had to wait to

1188
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:21,020
even see some more until Hynek heading

1189
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,210
down the hall at the dispatchers office

1190
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:26,000
police station sheriff's office whatever

1191
00:48:32,110 --> 00:48:28,430
down the hall for a long long interview

1192
00:48:36,460 --> 00:48:32,120
and this was the 28th did it happened on

1193
00:48:38,590 --> 00:48:36,470
the 20 the 24th party the 24th of April

1194
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:38,600
but honey was was late like me and

1195
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:42,710
getting into town but anyway the regard

1196
00:48:49,630 --> 00:48:46,250
to what you asked it was really strange

1197
00:48:51,550 --> 00:48:49,640
we were there at the site and panic is

1198
00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:51,560
kind of in front of me just to my east

1199
00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:55,070
south east and access to to Lonnie and

1200
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:57,590
to Shabbos said look any of you in

1201
00:49:01,210 --> 00:48:59,330
kidney work I would like to take a

1202
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:01,220
picture in the direction that this thing

1203
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:03,110
was said to approach what was the

1204
00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:05,630
direction of approach well I found this

1205
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:07,100
interesting because both of the officers

1206
00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:10,490
had no moment's hesitation this meant to

1207
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:12,590
me that they both had accepted the

1208
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:14,270
account of opal grinder and his son

1209
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:16,250
there what the doors told them that they

1210
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,200
had been over there

1211
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:19,520
northeast to the site when the thing

1212
00:49:23,590 --> 00:49:20,930
almost hit the antenna of their old

1213
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:23,600
green Cadillac and then it headed in and

1214
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:27,170
some more went after it and so they took

1215
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:28,850
this at Bates patio I understood when

1216
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:30,710
immediately both officers pointed into

1217
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:33,470
the Northeast exactly where the tourist

1218
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:36,170
had said they were when this happened so

1219
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:40,670
heinie put up his his Air Force the Air

1220
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,700
Force had a stereo optical camera for

1221
00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:45,920
collecting possible UFO ettus made for

1222
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,750
Hynek and he put his his Polaroid

1223
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,960
history optical Polaroid up and that a

1224
00:49:54,190 --> 00:49:52,160
picture and I thought this is

1225
00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:54,200
interesting I this document at least

1226
00:50:02,370 --> 00:49:54,940
that

1227
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:02,380
been indicated by the tourists and so I

1228
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,490
said I've got to get a picture of this

1229
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,160
so I put my Argus c3 up same kind of

1230
00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:08,800
camera to the senior patrolmen and hit

1231
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:11,380
head and I put mine up and took a

1232
00:50:16,859 --> 00:50:15,000
picture while Hynek was taking his now

1233
00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:16,869
this is this is kind of embarrassing

1234
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:19,300
because you know I had the picture and

1235
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,730
that was it that was great and but I

1236
00:50:28,579 --> 00:50:23,680
hadn't really looked at it closely all

1237
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:28,589
of those years until I think it was 2009

1238
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:30,700
maybe you know recently that maybe just

1239
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:31,900
a couple years ago I'd have to check my

1240
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,230
my dates in my notes but I have this

1241
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:37,119
picture I'd have a nice 8 by 10

1242
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:39,040
photograph of it and like it's black and

1243
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:42,790
white and let me say it shows clearly

1244
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:45,250
Hynek there with this camera pointing in

1245
00:50:48,839 --> 00:50:46,990
the direction of supposedly approach to

1246
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:48,849
the object and my cameras pointing the

1247
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:50,710
same direction up to the upper-left

1248
00:50:54,750 --> 00:50:52,510
that's what appears to be a twin-engine

1249
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:54,760
probably jet heading in toward Holloman

1250
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:55,990
Air Force Base which means it's gonna

1251
00:51:00,930 --> 00:50:58,450
gonna up the left and Kenny across the

1252
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:00,940
picture going toward the east southeast

1253
00:51:09,630 --> 00:51:06,910
and vonda ho exactly were Chinese camera

1254
00:51:12,089 --> 00:51:09,640
you know in let's say approximately

1255
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:12,099
directs we know the exact look we're

1256
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,660
hiding camera appears to be pointing

1257
00:51:20,339 --> 00:51:16,240
where mine was pointing there on the pic

1258
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:20,349
dictor in the photograph is it normal to

1259
00:51:23,309 --> 00:51:21,010
see a real object

1260
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:23,319
oh wait let's just stop right here and

1261
00:51:30,330 --> 00:51:26,680
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1262
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1288
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1289
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1322
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here's Jane Steinberg the picture shows

1323
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,040
an anomalous object ray it does and it's

1324
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,960
interesting because if the object also

1325
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:21,839
shows properties that I in the interim

1326
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:24,390
had recognized by getting a lot of an in

1327
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:26,670
color two movies and still pictures of

1328
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:28,950
these objects for example these objects

1329
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:32,490
they produce subtle multi images of

1330
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,410
themselves around them and sometimes a

1331
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:35,760
multi imaging trail where they have

1332
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:40,650
passed but off to the side often I have

1333
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:42,570
this in movies from airliners I have a

1334
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,609
evidence of it still pictures from the

1335
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:47,040
ground they will produce what some

1336
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:47,520
people

1337
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:50,180
pardon my German mother double ganger

1338
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,250
effect the ghost image effect in which

1339
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:55,680
there is a negative ghost image of the

1340
00:55:00,170 --> 00:54:58,290
object to the right of it now I can show

1341
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,180
you this I in my presentational dis I

1342
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,940
haven't PowerPoint I show example of

1343
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:05,460
this from my twelve twelve seventy seven

1344
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:07,530
film from thirty nine thousand feet from

1345
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:09,930
an airliner where Southwest of Memphis

1346
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:12,720
Tennessee and of an object that came up

1347
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:15,240
out of the clouds and had this ghost

1348
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:17,369
image beside it you can see the absolute

1349
00:55:22,339 --> 00:55:19,410
detail these the ghost negative of the

1350
00:55:24,140 --> 00:55:22,349
object is exactly the same as the

1351
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:24,150
positive expected sin the negative

1352
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,380
Harmons playing right along with it will

1353
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:27,440
this object out there right where the

1354
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:29,910
secure object would have been in

1355
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:31,500
relationship to the question the

1356
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:33,450
directional approach here's this thing

1357
00:55:39,980 --> 00:55:36,570
and even has its ghost image and it it's

1358
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:39,990
amazing I mean when I discovered this I

1359
00:55:43,339 --> 00:55:41,160
think I must have kind of broken out

1360
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:43,349
into a hole of coal swept a little after

1361
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:45,330
combining thinking well you know maybe

1362
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:46,619
those little guys eleven that a little

1363
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:50,010
green asses off I didn't see this all

1364
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,530
these years you know and here all of a

1365
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:54,660
sudden you know the great UFO researcher

1366
00:55:58,910 --> 00:55:56,490
after all these stuff you know forty

1367
00:56:01,280 --> 00:55:58,920
however many years this covers it in the

1368
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,290
picture you know just see it before

1369
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,839
cause I went looking my only my only

1370
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:05,280
interest in the picture I mean it's it's

1371
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:06,450
small you know it's not a thing sitting

1372
00:56:08,839 --> 00:56:07,710
there twenty feet away and it's out

1373
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:08,849
there about

1374
00:56:12,019 --> 00:56:10,529
probably if it was a science the more

1375
00:56:14,059 --> 00:56:12,029
described it would be right out there

1376
00:56:16,579 --> 00:56:14,069
into here where the highway was where it

1377
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,589
passed over that car and you know it's

1378
00:56:19,789 --> 00:56:18,180
not not glaring if you're not screaming

1379
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:19,799
at you I would just proud that had a

1380
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:21,450
picture in fact you know it's not large

1381
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:24,630
the John Lucas who was our editor and

1382
00:56:30,259 --> 00:56:26,729
the publisher in fact of the Socorro

1383
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:30,269
book in the US blue apple books before

1384
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,529
he came to work protein was the

1385
00:56:35,539 --> 00:56:33,839
professional draftsman before he retired

1386
00:56:37,819 --> 00:56:35,549
in in the aerospace industry

1387
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:37,829
and when he thought you know he just

1388
00:56:40,579 --> 00:56:39,210
when we published the picture in the

1389
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:40,589
book we just worked it out you know

1390
00:56:44,539 --> 00:56:43,049
because he thought John was a stickler

1391
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,549
for everything got to be clean and

1392
00:56:48,739 --> 00:56:46,440
perfect he was a fabulous draftsman and

1393
00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:48,749
he just wiped it out there was not to it

1394
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:50,670
I mean you know he didn't look at it he

1395
00:56:54,469 --> 00:56:52,049
didn't think I mean after all I haven't

1396
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,479
said I saw any UFO out there and didn't

1397
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:56,160
until years later and I didn't see it

1398
00:56:59,259 --> 00:56:58,170
but I say that I photographed it

1399
00:57:02,690 --> 00:56:59,269
apparently

1400
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:02,700
Hynek here's the icing yes yes here's

1401
00:57:07,999 --> 00:57:05,249
the icing on the cake someone sent me a

1402
00:57:09,499 --> 00:57:08,009
copy a seventh-generation one of the

1403
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:09,509
polaroid pictures one side of the

1404
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:11,369
polaroid pictures of the tube then I

1405
00:57:15,499 --> 00:57:12,690
think Doug I think it was a steer

1406
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:15,509
optical camera anyway a copy of the one

1407
00:57:19,009 --> 00:57:16,920
the polaroid pictures that he took in

1408
00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:19,019
that direction and by golly it's there

1409
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:20,609
not only that I failed to mention both

1410
00:57:23,779 --> 00:57:22,410
in my picture and yet also back in the

1411
00:57:26,420 --> 00:57:23,789
distance father as suggested by

1412
00:57:28,729 --> 00:57:26,430
atmosphere case there is a larger longer

1413
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:28,739
kind of cigar-shaped object maybe a

1414
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,450
slight curve to it that's up there in

1415
00:57:34,999 --> 00:57:32,400
the sky partly obscured by distance in

1416
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,009
atmosphere case so both of our pictures

1417
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:37,440
show his much more poorly than mine

1418
00:57:41,959 --> 00:57:39,690
because the Polaroid the resolution of

1419
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,969
the lens and the film itself was not

1420
00:57:46,339 --> 00:57:44,400
I mean I'm using a fine grain black and

1421
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,349
white film with a Schneider lens on the

1422
00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:49,200
Argosy three into sharper pictures but

1423
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:51,329
they were taken within seconds of each

1424
00:57:55,009 --> 00:57:53,249
other and they're not exactly they're

1425
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:55,019
almost the same place misguided slightly

1426
00:57:58,099 --> 00:57:56,609
different depending on where Hynek is

1427
00:57:59,420 --> 00:57:58,109
and I am and also of course they're

1428
00:58:01,489 --> 00:57:59,430
probably little motion of the objects

1429
00:58:03,709 --> 00:58:01,499
but they're both there that both objects

1430
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:03,719
are in both pictures and I would love to

1431
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:06,329
find that this was a fluke but I can't

1432
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:07,890
know I went to the National Archive

1433
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:10,559
hoping to accident hynek's original

1434
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:12,329
pictures now normally you don't see

1435
00:58:16,489 --> 00:58:14,190
original anything at the National

1436
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:16,499
Archive in these Blue Book files as they

1437
00:58:22,249 --> 00:58:19,890
told us thanks to James Fox who's clever

1438
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:22,259
as a box he said to see this guy with me

1439
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:22,680
funny

1440
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:24,450
me he said he's in the file there

1441
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:26,130
there's a picture in taken by dr. Hynek

1442
00:58:30,860 --> 00:58:28,920
standing right to her at the EPI by the

1443
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:30,870
land of the Southwest landing Gary and

1444
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:33,330
brent and he's in there and look if you

1445
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:36,090
can possibly get access for us to the

1446
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:38,970
originals of everything this would be

1447
00:58:43,580 --> 00:58:41,160
very very gracious and wonderful the guy

1448
00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:43,590
said well normally we only allow copies

1449
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,510
of the originals - in people's hands but

1450
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:47,760
he said islet but come back in about an

1451
00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:50,070
hour and I'll I'll let you know when he

1452
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:53,100
got back he said I'm surprised but I got

1453
00:58:57,590 --> 00:58:54,900
permission when we went to the file we

1454
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,600
had the pieces of paper I'd have any

1455
00:59:01,550 --> 00:58:59,160
picked up and revised it in containers

1456
00:59:03,980 --> 00:59:01,560
for we had his pictures pieces of paper

1457
00:59:04,850 --> 00:59:03,990
with the burns on them right there in

1458
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:04,860
her own hands

1459
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:07,890
everything the originals the drawings

1460
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,050
the notes everything we had the

1461
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:12,720
originals but when it came to hynek's

1462
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:15,420
Polaroid of the direction of approach or

1463
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:17,310
any of the others they were not there

1464
00:59:21,860 --> 00:59:19,380
and so I went to the lady's head of that

1465
00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:21,870
section and I said you know everything

1466
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:23,340
else is original here do you have any

1467
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:25,740
idea do you have the original she said

1468
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:27,570
no that's all we have she said I don't

1469
00:59:31,250 --> 00:59:29,430
know said I would have thought they were

1470
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:31,260
there say I don't know do you know how

1471
00:59:35,090 --> 00:59:32,910
we could try to find them she said no I

1472
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:35,100
have no idea where they would be and she

1473
00:59:39,290 --> 00:59:36,930
sounded and I'm sure she was totally

1474
00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:39,300
since there so what for whatever reasons

1475
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:42,600
annex original Polaroids are not there

1476
00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:44,610
in the and I was hoping at least to find

1477
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:46,950
even if a copy no better than the one

1478
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:48,690
that had been sent to me electronically

1479
00:59:53,150 --> 00:59:51,480
by someone who's had one but no they are

1480
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:53,160
way down in high cut you know high

1481
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:56,490
contrast due to multiple copying down

1482
01:00:00,440 --> 00:59:58,200
several generations in other words so

1483
01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:00,450
you can't even see the objects and those

1484
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:02,040
they're so bad but anyway I have a

1485
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:04,980
picture and much to my amazement we look

1486
01:00:08,780 --> 01:00:06,510
like it seems like we were photographing

1487
01:00:11,060 --> 01:00:08,790
the same two objects in the sky and more

1488
01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:11,070
amazingly is there is a deduction from

1489
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:12,990
this that if you're willing you can make

1490
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:16,500
and that is were they somehow a one

1491
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,880
could say telepathy or where they

1492
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:19,440
actually somehow physically with

1493
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:21,510
instruments at the landing site heard

1494
01:00:24,850 --> 01:00:23,010
what was said and laughed and their

1495
01:00:27,020 --> 01:00:24,860
little green asses office I love to say

1496
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:27,030
instead will appear right there in the

1497
01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:28,770
picture where they say is the direction

1498
01:00:33,350 --> 01:00:31,470
of approach and it's there so ask a

1499
01:00:34,550 --> 01:00:33,360
question here quickly because we have so

1500
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:34,560
many things to talk about and we've

1501
01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:35,730
spent actually almost

1502
01:00:40,310 --> 01:00:37,619
the first half of the show on saqqara

1503
01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:40,320
and that is this particular photo is

1504
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:41,700
this something you'd be willing to

1505
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:43,500
upload so we can show to our listeners

1506
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:45,570
I'm waiting for the opportunity to do

1507
01:00:50,090 --> 01:00:47,790
that I wanted to in a contact where I

1508
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:50,100
can show high-resolution versions and

1509
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:53,760
really give the entire story any of the

1510
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,530
camera daters I can get and every other

1511
01:00:59,660 --> 01:00:57,359
fact including the correlated

1512
01:01:01,310 --> 01:00:59,670
photographs from my films so I'm gonna

1513
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:01,320
wait on that don't want to do that right

1514
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:03,690
now it may come I may decide to that we

1515
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:06,510
can do that after you know somewhere in

1516
01:01:11,660 --> 01:01:09,210
the future but let me also say that

1517
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:11,670
there was another strange event related

1518
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:14,010
to this that totally knocked my socks

1519
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:17,310
off when we had been over Goddard we

1520
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:18,990
went through this whole fiasco about you

1521
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:21,090
know the cover-up of the the zinc iron

1522
01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:24,210
on on the the rock of course I was

1523
01:01:28,550 --> 01:01:26,760
pretty upset and Bob McGarrett was with

1524
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:28,560
me we were heading back and we headed

1525
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:30,630
back to Texas we went went to Socorro

1526
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,310
and that's when we of course talked to

1527
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:34,740
some more and he told us about the story

1528
01:01:39,830 --> 01:01:36,930
from Chanukah they radiated film well I

1529
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:39,840
decided to try to do a magnetic study I

1530
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,670
had no sophisticated instrument a

1531
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:43,200
magnetic compass and I wanted to see how

1532
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:45,630
at a given distance from each of the

1533
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,880
steel plates or the Dynamo check how the

1534
01:01:52,130 --> 01:01:49,200
compass needle would bear how many

1535
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:52,140
degrees you know and and so it crude it

1536
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:53,640
probably no scientific value but I

1537
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:55,920
wanted to do with what I had anything

1538
01:01:58,940 --> 01:01:57,690
that might have some value and I didn't

1539
01:02:01,310 --> 01:01:58,950
have any sophisticated instruments of

1540
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,320
that night so Bob McGarry went over

1541
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:02,880
there and I said but stand there I've

1542
01:02:06,380 --> 01:02:04,500
got it I need to show the size of this

1543
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:06,390
thing and I don't have a yardstick so

1544
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:08,430
just stand there beside the dynamite

1545
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:10,680
Shack so he stood there facing me

1546
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:14,250
smiling and I took a picture you know

1547
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:15,750
I'm just paying this a dynamite check we

1548
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,369
were anxious to get out of the heat go

1549
01:02:22,490 --> 01:02:18,960
get the drink at a restaurant or

1550
01:02:24,050 --> 01:02:22,500
something and and here uh I took my

1551
01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:24,060
measurements pay no attention anything

1552
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:27,140
else but here a couple of years ago I'm

1553
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:30,720
looking back at that picture and there

1554
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:35,790
are six anomalous objects in the sky at

1555
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:37,890
various positions back there and two of

1556
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:40,590
them have a lot of resemblance to what

1557
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:42,030
Zamora described how many they don't

1558
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:43,590
have landing legs and anything on the

1559
01:02:49,220 --> 01:02:46,770
side of them but the two that I'm talk

1560
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:49,230
about the two that look like rock keep

1561
01:02:51,500 --> 01:02:49,680
it a mad

1562
01:02:53,780 --> 01:02:51,510
mores I'd be kind of tempted where the

1563
01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:53,790
the axis of it is not quite part argued

1564
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:55,470
but over to one side but about 20

1565
01:03:00,970 --> 01:02:57,990
degrees 25 degrees but kind of like that

1566
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:00,980
there are others but one caught my eye

1567
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:03,569
that is less distinct than those

1568
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:07,380
probably farther away it looked like the

1569
01:03:12,290 --> 01:03:09,410
shape that we normally in the literature

1570
01:03:13,849 --> 01:03:12,300
say we call a mothership as a cigar

1571
01:03:16,569 --> 01:03:13,859
shaped ningke's and I took that thing

1572
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:16,579
and scanned it at high resolution and

1573
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,170
believe me in this case I almost lost my

1574
01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:22,140
teeth because there on the right end of

1575
01:03:26,839 --> 01:03:24,990
it there's an incredible object that is

1576
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:26,849
shaped kind of like a spiracle a big

1577
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:28,770
that then kind of stretches down toward

1578
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:30,420
a part like a base is kind of like it's

1579
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:32,970
plugged into this more elongated thing

1580
01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:35,609
we have to do the break here Bree oh and

1581
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,260
then we'll cover this and then we'll get

1582
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,660
on to other subjects Rey Stanford with

1583
01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:41,579
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1596
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:20,910
a critically acclaimed success and now

1597
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,859
there's the coming of the protectors a

1598
01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:24,960
former military intelligence man is

1599
01:04:29,059 --> 01:04:27,270
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

1600
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:29,069
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

1601
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:31,500
because evil forces on our distant

1602
01:04:35,870 --> 01:04:33,210
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1603
01:04:38,329 --> 01:04:35,880
this is gripping science fiction of the

1604
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:38,339
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

1605
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:40,410
and the coming of the protectors find

1606
01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:43,170
out more at Rocko it's calm that's Rocko

1607
01:04:50,310 --> 01:04:47,350
it's our Ock oids calm

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okay ray describe this please a little

1662
01:08:19,380 --> 01:08:15,160
more and then let's move to other topics

1663
01:08:21,329 --> 01:08:19,390
okay okay okay it has on the side you

1664
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,339
actually see a three dimensions lab

1665
01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:22,960
because you see this I don't know what

1666
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:24,910
color was closest blank my picture but

1667
01:08:29,370 --> 01:08:27,759
you have a triangle impressed on the

1668
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,380
side of it I mean it's like it's it's

1669
01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:32,319
printed or somehow panels of color on

1670
01:08:36,660 --> 01:08:34,660
the side with the thick triangular shape

1671
01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:36,670
open the middle with a kind of a dot in

1672
01:08:40,650 --> 01:08:38,680
the middle of it it is no doubt I mean

1673
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:40,660
you can see it clearly it's there and

1674
01:08:44,820 --> 01:08:42,130
the object is there and it has a

1675
01:08:46,829 --> 01:08:44,830
geometric structure on one side now you

1676
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,839
know I don't consider these extremely

1677
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:48,880
important scientific evidence because we

1678
01:08:52,499 --> 01:08:50,650
didn't see it but on the other hand they

1679
01:08:54,539 --> 01:08:52,509
are not they're not birds they're not

1680
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:54,549
insects and you can tell by looking the

1681
01:08:57,329 --> 01:08:55,930
pictures and they were pretty simple

1682
01:08:59,579 --> 01:08:57,339
distance from the camera of considerable

1683
01:09:01,620 --> 01:08:59,589
size but there's something that we I

1684
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:01,630
just think to think about I wouldn't put

1685
01:09:05,190 --> 01:09:03,730
these far as important scientific

1686
01:09:07,559 --> 01:09:05,200
evidence because we didn't see them

1687
01:09:09,209 --> 01:09:07,569
didn't notice them but all the same it's

1688
01:09:11,789 --> 01:09:09,219
extremely intriguing and it makes you

1689
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,799
wonder if they are not investigating the

1690
01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:13,120
investigators while the investigators

1691
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:14,350
investigate him

1692
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:15,730
I'll tell you what I think what you've

1693
01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:17,410
done there in the last few segments has

1694
01:09:22,770 --> 01:09:19,870
taken the claims of a hot air balloon

1695
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:22,780
being involved and made them seem

1696
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,290
obviously like hot air oh that's a good

1697
01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:29,440
one I'll buy that okay let's move on

1698
01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:31,180
there's other topics Chris you want to

1699
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:33,490
take it to the next direction yeah let's

1700
01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:35,710
talk about something Rea that that came

1701
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:37,480
up in a conversation we had earlier

1702
01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:40,090
today and you reminded me of a very

1703
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:44,590
interesting a b-52 parent disappearance

1704
01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:47,380
that happened in 1968 now obviously with

1705
01:09:52,820 --> 01:09:50,500
with all the hoopla and the media

1706
01:09:55,950 --> 01:09:52,830
coverage almost you know wall-to-wall

1707
01:09:58,530 --> 01:09:55,960
24/7 for a while of Malaysia Airlines

1708
01:10:02,820 --> 01:09:58,540
flight mh370 which disappeared on the

1709
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:02,830
8th of March this year you have you know

1710
01:10:06,510 --> 01:10:04,240
I don't even want to get into that

1711
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:06,520
particular subject because you have a

1712
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:08,470
case that very very few people are aware

1713
01:10:13,890 --> 01:10:11,890
of that happened much earlier in time

1714
01:10:19,220 --> 01:10:13,900
this was back I think in February of

1715
01:10:22,710 --> 01:10:19,230
1968 of a b-52 that disappeared

1716
01:10:25,230 --> 01:10:22,720
inexplicably off the coast of Texas and

1717
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:25,240
you actually were you and your workers

1718
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,710
at your job were unwitting witnesses to

1719
01:10:34,260 --> 01:10:31,840
what may have been the air force's

1720
01:10:35,580 --> 01:10:34,270
response to some UFO sightings why don't

1721
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:35,590
you first of all give us a little

1722
01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:37,600
thumbnail sketch you know cut to the

1723
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:40,510
chase with it about the event and in and

1724
01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:43,030
then subsequently what happened after

1725
01:10:46,380 --> 01:10:44,980
that in terms of the official loss I

1726
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:46,390
have no idea or opinion about what

1727
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:47,590
happened in the Malaysian case but I

1728
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:49,960
don't know I'm sorry about this I know I

1729
01:10:54,330 --> 01:10:51,490
know but I have definite feelings about

1730
01:10:56,610 --> 01:10:54,340
this let me tell it the way it happened

1731
01:10:59,310 --> 01:10:56,620
to me I was living in Corpus Christi

1732
01:11:03,690 --> 01:10:59,320
Texas on the Gulf Coast that time corks

1733
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:03,700
50 Bay and to get to I worked for the

1734
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:05,410
personnel placement firm Snelling and

1735
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:06,640
snubbing as the personnel counselor

1736
01:11:10,890 --> 01:11:09,370
helping people find jobs and we opened

1737
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:10,900
their doors at 9:00 in the morning and

1738
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:14,970
on the morning of the 29th of February

1739
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:18,880
1968 I was I was driving on the

1740
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:20,650
interstate coming in and you have to

1741
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:23,050
climb up over a part of the spaghetti to

1742
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:25,000
a higher level before you climb back

1743
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:26,770
down into downtown Corpus Christi so

1744
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:28,210
this is what I was doing and all the

1745
01:11:32,850 --> 01:11:30,310
the direction I keep in mind I grew up

1746
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:32,860
in Corpus Christi I mean from from 9

1747
01:11:37,229 --> 01:11:34,330
years old and I know the place quite

1748
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,239
well it's and a lot of things about it

1749
01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:39,760
but often the direction of Matagorda how

1750
01:11:45,570 --> 01:11:42,340
in which from that location was 42 miles

1751
01:11:47,670 --> 01:11:45,580
to the north-northeast there was

1752
01:11:51,660 --> 01:11:47,680
something incredible in the sky there

1753
01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:51,670
was a huge object and if people go to

1754
01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:53,230
your your website they will they will

1755
01:11:57,570 --> 01:11:55,510
see my night drawing of that that the

1756
01:11:59,190 --> 01:11:57,580
drawing is in color but it's it's a

1757
01:12:00,990 --> 01:11:59,200
color of colorized version of the

1758
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:01,000
drawing that I made when I went home for

1759
01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:03,070
lunch that day so it would be fresh in

1760
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:05,380
my mind you know here's what I saw this

1761
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:08,860
huge object sitting dead still and it

1762
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:11,050
has a curved he was white curved top

1763
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:13,030
came around into a very mathematical

1764
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:15,370
curve on the edges to a very flat bottom

1765
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:18,210
and as you saw in word from the

1766
01:12:23,310 --> 01:12:20,950
periphery on the bottom there was a dark

1767
01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:23,320
ring then it was further white and then

1768
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:25,480
a larger in the midst of it you'll see

1769
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,580
in my drawing there it looked like it

1770
01:12:31,979 --> 01:12:30,400
was open the paper on deeper black I

1771
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:31,989
mean it looked like the time thing was

1772
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:35,320
opened I thought I noticed now confirmed

1773
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:36,640
this in a minute I thought I noticed

1774
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:39,010
that there were little jet paper trails

1775
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:39,940
there was way off in the distance

1776
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:43,420
heading toward it and so I rushed into

1777
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,790
the parking lot and I was I was working

1778
01:12:50,310 --> 01:12:47,920
a bit I think was called a 700 building

1779
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:50,320
but it's a higher the higher of the

1780
01:12:53,550 --> 01:12:51,850
brand new modern high-rise building

1781
01:12:57,090 --> 01:12:53,560
garbage Goods at that time on what's

1782
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:57,100
called the hill and I rest been to the

1783
01:13:00,959 --> 01:12:58,510
office of Snelling astounding person

1784
01:13:03,090 --> 01:13:00,969
that will work and since it was not yet

1785
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:03,100
9:00 we had about you know 15 20 minutes

1786
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:04,150
before we had to open our doors to

1787
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:08,050
public clients we I can't look everybody

1788
01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:09,250
get out there there's something

1789
01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:11,860
incredible you got to see and everybody

1790
01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:13,900
went out there was a retired marine

1791
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:16,600
master sergeant Roger Lozano and her

1792
01:13:21,930 --> 01:13:20,170
front lady Rana and Betty and and I

1793
01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:21,940
think four or five other of the

1794
01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:24,670
counselors there and we all went out we

1795
01:13:29,490 --> 01:13:26,680
went to this big clear glass window

1796
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:29,500
facing that direction and we all saw the

1797
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:32,530
thing was sitting there dead still now

1798
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:34,330
this was not a lenticular cloud you have

1799
01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:36,610
no mountains arises on the coast to

1800
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:38,830
produce Lee waves it was not anything

1801
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:40,840
like there wasn't weather this thing was

1802
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:41,820
scary and it

1803
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:45,750
big but we saw all of us repeated runs

1804
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:48,510
we couldn't have the distance which it

1805
01:13:52,970 --> 01:13:50,190
turns out this was apparently right at

1806
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:52,980
madacorp Thailand they used to call it

1807
01:13:57,589 --> 01:13:55,170
it's a broad sandbar type Island is how

1808
01:13:59,660 --> 01:13:57,599
it's farmed oh dear it's not off the

1809
01:14:02,419 --> 01:13:59,670
coast paralleling the coast of Texas and

1810
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:02,429
here approaching it they were so far

1811
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:03,449
where you couldn't see the plane - you

1812
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:04,920
can see the little single-engine jet

1813
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:08,070
favorite pills of jet fighters and they

1814
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:11,250
would approach it and and Roger lisanna

1815
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,840
who have been the marine master and he

1816
01:14:15,620 --> 01:14:14,159
said those guys are making

1817
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,630
reconnaissance around the only thing

1818
01:14:19,819 --> 01:14:17,760
whatever it is they're doing runs on it

1819
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:19,829
and sure enough they would go up till

1820
01:14:22,729 --> 01:14:21,090
they I imagine they got pretty freaked

1821
01:14:25,129 --> 01:14:22,739
out at certain distance and you'd see

1822
01:14:27,109 --> 01:14:25,139
them the little trail turn away and go

1823
01:14:29,330 --> 01:14:27,119
off to a certain distance and they would

1824
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,340
turn back and probably hundred in

1825
01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:31,920
command from headquarters do another run

1826
01:14:37,939 --> 01:14:35,550
no let me get very specific about what

1827
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:37,949
this was what what I found out

1828
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:40,110
well first places then finally after

1829
01:14:44,419 --> 01:14:42,540
we'd watched this book for a very good

1830
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:44,429
amount of time this thing is there in

1831
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:46,380
these Jets are keep making runs on it we

1832
01:14:50,959 --> 01:14:49,170
had to go back and um you know open our

1833
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:50,969
office to the to the clients are

1834
01:14:55,790 --> 01:14:53,150
beginning to arrive at nine o'clock and

1835
01:14:56,780 --> 01:14:55,800
when I honey I got bad havior had to go

1836
01:14:59,479 --> 01:14:56,790
cross the street and get some and

1837
01:15:01,550 --> 01:14:59,489
histamine spray at the drugstore

1838
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:01,560
and so when I looked out then it was no

1839
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:03,480
longer there this is the big object so I

1840
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:05,250
went in the drugstore and they had the

1841
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:07,770
news on and it told that on the night

1842
01:15:12,530 --> 01:15:11,250
before around 11 I believe around 11:30

1843
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:12,540
eleven twenty something the night before

1844
01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:17,940
a b-52 bomber that had from Carswell Air

1845
01:15:25,069 --> 01:15:21,300
Force Base at Fort Worth had operations

1846
01:15:26,569 --> 01:15:25,079
going on there and it had made it was

1847
01:15:28,879 --> 01:15:26,579
making it hadn't spoke they had no

1848
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:28,889
nuclear weapons owned at all this was

1849
01:15:34,819 --> 01:15:32,940
merely test practice runs and they had

1850
01:15:37,879 --> 01:15:34,829
new equipment and some of the new

1851
01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:37,889
personnel and they had three experienced

1852
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:39,780
people there to evaluate the performance

1853
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:42,840
of them and what happened is there was

1854
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,560
own radar and according to the AP report

1855
01:15:51,729 --> 01:15:47,760
and other reports that have suddenly

1856
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:51,739
obtained from the Navy this thing

1857
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:55,770
suddenly no warning disappeared

1858
01:16:00,880 --> 01:15:58,140
let me mention that there were 80 come

1859
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:00,890
from cars well and there were eight

1860
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:04,170
personnel aboard and this this is an

1861
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:06,600
important case I am convinced personally

1862
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,570
I don't insist people believe it but I

1863
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:11,760
am convinced that this object was

1864
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:15,030
grabbed by what we saw the next morning

1865
01:16:19,340 --> 01:16:17,490
let me as a kind of memoriam to the

1866
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:19,350
people to get people the human view of

1867
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:22,080
this that the view of from the human

1868
01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:25,230
side let me tell you who was aboard we

1869
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[Music]

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01:20:58,510 --> 01:20:56,990
this is 37 the author of us on the

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01:21:04,420 --> 01:20:58,520
streets and you're listening to the

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01:21:05,890 --> 01:21:04,430
podcast race Stanford's with us on the

1976
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:05,900
podcast this week with Jean and Chris

1977
01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:07,910
you were about to identify the people

1978
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:10,670
who were on board right Craig please do

1979
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:11,840
that's right and I want to mention

1980
01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:13,970
listen at the level that they're enter

1981
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,380
their training and their competence

1982
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:17,600
mirthless major Frank James oliveria it

1983
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:19,250
was the aircraft commander he was from

1984
01:21:22,090 --> 01:21:20,390
Mountain Front in New York but they all

1985
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:22,100
lived in in Fort Worth because they were

1986
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:24,530
stationed there cards well ok there was

1987
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:25,910
then there was First Lieutenant William

1988
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:28,250
T cause he was the copilot he was from

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01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:30,290
Houston there was Captain Charles W

1990
01:21:35,380 --> 01:21:33,380
Roberts radar navigator of Alma Carter

1991
01:21:38,020 --> 01:21:35,390
in New Mexico there was first lieutenant

1992
01:21:40,210 --> 01:21:38,030
Michael L Carroll navigator from

1993
01:21:41,100 --> 01:21:40,220
Brownsville Texas there was cap John P

1994
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:41,110
pania

1995
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:44,090
electronics warfare officer of variants

1996
01:21:49,090 --> 01:21:46,310
pranks Michigan there was master

1997
01:21:51,010 --> 01:21:49,100
sergeant Kermit see Casey tail gunner of

1998
01:21:53,740 --> 01:21:51,020
Little Rock Arkansas there was major

1999
01:21:56,230 --> 01:21:53,750
Philip F shrine instructor pilot

2000
01:21:57,940 --> 01:21:56,240
evaluating the crew he was a man's

2001
01:22:00,340 --> 01:21:57,950
people how and funny there was Captain

2002
01:22:02,290 --> 01:22:00,350
Thomas D Charles instructor and

2003
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:02,300
navigator evaluating the crew he was

2004
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:03,890
from Muncie Indiana

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01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:07,520
these men well educated well trained are

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01:22:13,060 --> 01:22:11,090
gone and here's the the follow-up the

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01:22:14,590 --> 01:22:13,070
NES car conspiracy was assigned to

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01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,600
search for the aircraft they were

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01:22:19,540 --> 01:22:16,880
puzzled in trouble because it vanished

2010
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:19,550
on radar it didn't go down it vanished

2011
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,890
no communications occurred to indicate

2012
01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:24,400
that there was any problem whatsoever

2013
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:27,860
not any at all and so here's what

2014
01:22:33,100 --> 01:22:30,170
happened it the the newspaper articles

2015
01:22:35,380 --> 01:22:33,110
stated that the next morning that Air

2016
01:22:37,090 --> 01:22:35,390
Force that dnas Corpus Christi was

2017
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assigned to do most of the work they're

2018
01:22:41,290 --> 01:22:39,560
using their sub hunters and helicopters

2019
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,300
and other things to try to see if they

2020
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:43,760
could find this thing debris well let me

2021
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:45,890
mention that the aircraft at that point

2022
01:22:50,650 --> 01:22:47,690
when it disappeared at 11:30 that night

2023
01:22:56,770 --> 01:22:50,660
had enough field to last it until 6:30

2024
01:22:59,950 --> 01:22:56,780
that morning but no fuel no oscillate of

2025
01:23:00,880 --> 01:22:59,960
any kind was done no debris of any kind

2026
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:00,890
was found

2027
01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:03,110
but even the the airforce admitted that

2028
01:23:07,060 --> 01:23:04,790
they the next morning had their own Air

2029
01:23:08,350 --> 01:23:07,070
Force planes out both the hunting well

2030
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:08,360
they were hunting all right because we

2031
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:10,370
saw them making the Recon runs only

2032
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:13,310
object my personal interpretation of my

2033
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,930
opinion and it's only opinion at this

2034
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:17,360
point is that this object was sitting

2035
01:23:21,970 --> 01:23:19,850
there still after taking this thing I

2036
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:21,980
don't know if it was showing a grudge it

2037
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:23,510
was it was saying hey guys you can't do

2038
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:25,610
a damn thing about us but it was there

2039
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:27,530
and we saw it where their mouths dropped

2040
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:28,010
open

2041
01:23:32,260 --> 01:23:30,050
are they whole staff of the snelling and

2042
01:23:35,050 --> 01:23:32,270
smelling office in the the building down

2043
01:23:38,020 --> 01:23:35,060
in Corpus Christi and let me mentioned

2044
01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:38,030
in that nine days later there came out

2045
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:39,830
an article it was in that I have a copy

2046
01:23:44,830 --> 01:23:41,530
of it here from the New York Times and

2047
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:44,840
it simply said this and this article was

2048
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:46,930
totally erroneous as hell explain

2049
01:23:52,780 --> 01:23:50,450
aircraft debris found Port Isabel Texas

2050
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:52,790
now that's at the far tip of Texas that

2051
01:23:56,350 --> 01:23:54,890
little tip down there right would go

2052
01:23:59,680 --> 01:23:56,360
right into the Gulf of Mexico at the end

2053
01:24:02,440 --> 01:23:59,690
of South Padre Alvin March 9th AP

2054
01:24:05,650 --> 01:24:02,450
Associated Press pieces of an aircraft I

2055
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:05,660
get the words presumably a missing b-52

2056
01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:08,480
at Fort Worth were found washed up on

2057
01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:10,190
the beach a South Padre Island on the

2058
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:12,590
Texas coast today the Coast Guard in New

2059
01:24:16,060 --> 01:24:14,330
Orleans said that the debris could be

2060
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,070
from the bomber that vanished from radar

2061
01:24:23,230 --> 01:24:18,400
screens during a routine training flight

2062
01:24:24,490 --> 01:24:23,240
February 28th well is that is Corpus

2063
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:24,500
Christi the Naval Air Station there at

2064
01:24:27,850 --> 01:24:26,000
Corpus Christi we're the ones they were

2065
01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:27,860
head work that head is the whole search

2066
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:30,380
so I picked up the phone and I called

2067
01:24:35,970 --> 01:24:33,440
and I eventually was spected to the guy

2068
01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:35,980
that was head in charge of the search

2069
01:24:41,770 --> 01:24:39,140
this is nine days afterward and he said

2070
01:24:43,810 --> 01:24:41,780
you've seen the article that there was

2071
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:43,820
only AP this morning and he said yes I

2072
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:46,910
have he said and we are livid that

2073
01:24:51,130 --> 01:24:49,760
article is totally ridiculous it is

2074
01:24:54,370 --> 01:24:51,140
totally false

2075
01:24:56,650 --> 01:24:54,380
he said we found no debris he said what

2076
01:24:58,990 --> 01:24:56,660
was found down on the beach on South

2077
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,000
Padre Island was immediately identified

2078
01:25:04,060 --> 01:25:02,000
it was the seat cushion with the metal

2079
01:25:07,570 --> 01:25:04,070
plate with his numbers on the bottom of

2080
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:07,580
it that was from a little trainer from

2081
01:25:10,990 --> 01:25:09,710
here in Corpus Christi that had crashed

2082
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:11,000
down there on the south end of Padre

2083
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:13,280
Island it was not anything to do with

2084
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:14,730
this and that is over

2085
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:16,890
150 miles from where this aircraft

2086
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,250
disappeared and he said if you ever find

2087
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:22,800
out who was responsible who made the

2088
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:25,830
decision to put that BS I think he used

2089
01:25:32,420 --> 01:25:29,130
those terms into an AP report please

2090
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:32,430
call me I want to know because that is

2091
01:25:36,430 --> 01:25:34,860
false and I want to know why it was put

2092
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:36,440
out any users words I want to know why

2093
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:39,570
so there we have it let me ask you a

2094
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:42,690
fast question here ray why do you think

2095
01:25:48,290 --> 01:25:45,480
they put in something like that that was

2096
01:25:50,450 --> 01:25:48,300
demonstrably false well it's very much

2097
01:25:52,190 --> 01:25:50,460
like this thing about you know when

2098
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:52,200
people go out on the internet and Google

2099
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:55,410
Socorro guess what they'll get the story

2100
01:25:59,900 --> 01:25:58,110
- Pauling's letter that the letter to

2101
01:26:02,570 --> 01:25:59,910
linus pauling they'll get that biessed

2102
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:02,580
likewise whatever happened to that big

2103
01:26:05,210 --> 01:26:04,170
old Hummer that disappear to throw

2104
01:26:06,979 --> 01:26:05,220
matter go to island

2105
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:06,989
well the Mother's Day movie you know

2106
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,460
didn't you see a Turk on the paper that

2107
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:10,380
debris family was found down on South

2108
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:11,970
Padre Island washed up on the beach

2109
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:14,010
there's your reason it gives a cover

2110
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:16,620
story they had to know that there was a

2111
01:26:21,950 --> 01:26:19,290
gigantic object of some sort involved in

2112
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:21,960
this because their little planes were

2113
01:26:27,410 --> 01:26:25,380
making recon runs I would love to see

2114
01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:27,420
what films they had we were watching

2115
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:30,270
from about 42 miles away but even then

2116
01:26:34,940 --> 01:26:32,850
the thing was humongous I need to go

2117
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:34,950
back to my original notes to compute the

2118
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:37,739
probable size basically they remembered

2119
01:26:43,010 --> 01:26:40,770
angular size of it but let me mention in

2120
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:43,020
reference that in 1974 there's the

2121
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:44,370
famous case that you know about from

2122
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:47,370
Iran in which a big so-called mothership

2123
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,080
was tracked they put out smaller objects

2124
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,600
that when the jets that were sent in to

2125
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:54,480
investigate armed their am-9 missiles

2126
01:26:59,150 --> 01:26:57,120
there there are moments that kind of

2127
01:27:02,420 --> 01:26:59,160
armaments pros until they turned away

2128
01:27:04,220 --> 01:27:02,430
went back and those radar tracking there

2129
01:27:07,130 --> 01:27:04,230
said that the larger object was

2130
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:07,140
estimated at 10 miles in diameter

2131
01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:09,090
well this hobby could have been that

2132
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:10,260
large it might have been a little

2133
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:13,980
smaller but it was huge because this was

2134
01:27:17,180 --> 01:27:15,810
a beautiful clear day and of course

2135
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:17,190
we're way up there in the snowing you

2136
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:18,480
know in the seven hundred billion or

2137
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:20,520
what it was called and we got a good

2138
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:23,190
view of it but this thing we could tell

2139
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:26,219
by you could tell it it was huge and it

2140
01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:27,780
was distant because the Jets that were

2141
01:27:30,740 --> 01:27:28,680
approaching it

2142
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:30,750
we're so distant that you couldn't see

2143
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:32,570
the Villere crap just see their little

2144
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:35,130
conversation wakes their vapor trails so

2145
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:36,750
we newly had had to be huge

2146
01:27:40,370 --> 01:27:38,850
and I have to say I can stay with

2147
01:27:41,690 --> 01:27:40,380
assurance that whatever these guys were

2148
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:41,700
reconning there that was at the very

2149
01:27:45,650 --> 01:27:43,170
site where this thing disappeared

2150
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:45,660
it was it had to be at least I would say

2151
01:27:51,230 --> 01:27:48,710
a 4 miles across but I think it was

2152
01:27:53,620 --> 01:27:51,240
great this brings up a really

2153
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,630
interesting point here and my question

2154
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:56,400
would be if something was hanging around

2155
01:28:02,420 --> 01:27:59,340
from let's say hypothetically from 11

2156
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:02,430
o'clock 11:30 then right before until

2157
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:05,850
8:45 9 o'clock the following morning we

2158
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,370
should have a ton of reports from people

2159
01:28:12,890 --> 01:28:10,800
up you know further north from Corpus

2160
01:28:15,380 --> 01:28:12,900
Christi that would have possibly seen

2161
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:15,390
such a huge all good but let me go back

2162
01:28:19,970 --> 01:28:16,950
to 1986

2163
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:19,980
we decided easily that way and my wife

2164
01:28:25,220 --> 01:28:22,920
and I saw two objects each of which

2165
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:25,230
covered 15 degrees apart in the sky we

2166
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:27,510
objectively held her hand up and it

2167
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:28,770
covered from the end of the little

2168
01:28:32,420 --> 01:28:30,510
finger with a ham spread maximally to

2169
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:32,430
the tip of the thumb and when I went

2170
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:34,800
back with my azimuth finder I found that

2171
01:28:39,260 --> 01:28:37,260
that it was 15 degrees in angular size

2172
01:28:42,710 --> 01:28:39,270
there were two of these objects this was

2173
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:42,720
in rush-hour traffic and we this is in

2174
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:46,290
Austin in DC inside the beltway that's

2175
01:28:49,940 --> 01:28:48,000
right Dave were the most incredible

2176
01:28:53,870 --> 01:28:49,950
things that that either my walk I have

2177
01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:53,880
ever seen not seeing a lot but we I kept

2178
01:28:56,660 --> 01:28:55,080
saying is we tried to get back

2179
01:28:57,290 --> 01:28:56,670
frantically to the house to get my movie

2180
01:28:59,960 --> 01:28:57,300
camera

2181
01:29:01,370 --> 01:28:59,970
I kept saying why are people stopping

2182
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:01,380
why aren't they getting out of their

2183
01:29:04,010 --> 01:29:02,610
cars and saying the world's coming to an

2184
01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:04,020
end here are these two objects 15

2185
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:06,360
degrees think about it the moon the Sun

2186
01:29:10,970 --> 01:29:08,490
is only approximately 1/2 degree in

2187
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:10,980
anger size on the sky these were 30 suns

2188
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:12,930
our moon side-by-side each one of them

2189
01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:15,930
across and guess what people are driving

2190
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:18,390
along as if they don't see it well

2191
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:20,250
there's an interesting phenomenon that I

2192
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:21,960
discovered because we monitor these

2193
01:29:27,020 --> 01:29:24,570
things electronically it's known as LF

2194
01:29:28,730 --> 01:29:27,030
magnetism and research independent of

2195
01:29:30,140 --> 01:29:28,740
UFOs studies has indicated that some

2196
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,150
highly mighty interesting things can

2197
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:33,120
happen to the mind when your brain gets

2198
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:36,210
subjected to this kind of frequency if

2199
01:29:39,650 --> 01:29:37,980
it's in the pistol out to a range of

2200
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:39,660
certain like deep restful sleep for

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example yeah if I didn't paint on you

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while

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you become rather subjective and perhaps

2204
01:29:50,060 --> 01:29:48,479
Otto hypnagogic that is to say where you

2205
01:29:52,609 --> 01:29:50,070
can convince yourself of whatever you

2206
01:29:53,839 --> 01:29:52,619
want to think I think that now my wife

2207
01:29:54,739 --> 01:29:53,849
and I were used to this we've had

2208
01:29:57,259 --> 01:29:54,749
encounters

2209
01:29:59,779 --> 01:29:57,269
we knew this we're interested but I

2210
01:30:00,529 --> 01:29:59,789
think the average Joe who around here so

2211
01:30:02,390 --> 01:30:00,539
many of them they're government

2212
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:02,400
employees or government contractors who

2213
01:30:07,219 --> 01:30:05,219
really have rather not step on big

2214
01:30:09,500 --> 01:30:07,229
brothers toes I think that when they see

2215
01:30:10,939 --> 01:30:09,510
something like this and there is this

2216
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:10,949
e.l.f impending on the bridge there's a

2217
01:30:15,370 --> 01:30:12,420
possibility that they can become very

2218
01:30:18,049 --> 01:30:15,380
subjective and in fact blush it and

2219
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:18,059
there's got to be at least one little

2220
01:30:24,350 --> 01:30:22,320
tenure you know what let's find out what

2221
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,360
this is first and then we'll get the

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01:30:30,060 --> 01:30:26,400
answer we have raced and for joining

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Jeanne and Chris in the Opera cast

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Rockets and it was a critically

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forces on our distant planet are

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planning to conquer the earth

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paranormal radio with Jeanne and Chris

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we have raced an for joining us

2330
01:35:13,340 --> 01:35:10,650
he's a UFO investigator is also an

2331
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:13,350
amateur paleontologist they say and he's

2332
01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:15,060
gotten really high marks for the great

2333
01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:16,860
research he's done in that region

2334
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:19,560
looking for dinosaurs and stuff

2335
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:21,810
Chris was raising an issue before the

2336
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:24,000
break and Ray you were chomping at the

2337
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bit to ever respond please

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01:35:30,530 --> 01:35:28,560
right right let me mention that finally

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I called every radio and TV station I

2340
01:35:34,820 --> 01:35:33,000
could find the number for nobody

2341
01:35:37,190 --> 01:35:34,830
reported it but finally right over here

2342
01:35:39,620 --> 01:35:37,200
biases there's the country's most long

2343
01:35:41,060 --> 01:35:39,630
operating airport little College Park

2344
01:35:43,580 --> 01:35:41,070
Airport the Wright brothers living out

2345
01:35:46,330 --> 01:35:43,590
here and it doesn't even have a control

2346
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:46,340
tower but I call there and the guy who

2347
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:48,810
was there who basically runs the the

2348
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:51,360
front office he had gotten a call from a

2349
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:52,920
guy who's left his plane parked in the

2350
01:35:56,450 --> 01:35:55,170
heat of September and he had a camera

2351
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:56,460
with his film and he said would you mind

2352
01:35:59,960 --> 01:35:58,800
going out to my plane and get my camera

2353
01:36:00,980 --> 01:35:59,970
because I'm afraid the films gonna be

2354
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:00,990
ruined if he could get into the air

2355
01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:02,130
conditioning I would get by and pick it

2356
01:36:06,290 --> 01:36:03,900
up but he went out to the plane he

2357
01:36:08,300 --> 01:36:06,300
turned around heading back to the east

2358
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:08,310
hardly thing and he saw both of these

2359
01:36:11,780 --> 01:36:09,690
objects they have they were further out

2360
01:36:13,820 --> 01:36:11,790
passing over Andrews Air Force Base area

2361
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:13,830
he estimated at that time but he saw

2362
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:15,600
what we saw he saw other way but he

2363
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:18,120
definitely saw it so he saw it but see

2364
01:36:21,710 --> 01:36:20,130
had he seen it closer I think the same

2365
01:36:23,630 --> 01:36:21,720
effect might have happened on him and

2366
01:36:26,900 --> 01:36:23,640
he'd said doesn't compute this can't be

2367
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:26,910
all I can say is I called up Richard

2368
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:29,370
Hall who who was a friend of mine in UFO

2369
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:31,800
research and we fought a lot publicly

2370
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:33,150
but actually he was he was a good man a

2371
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:34,800
good friend if he just differed me on

2372
01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:37,530
something and I called him up Richard

2373
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,600
tell you what she'll I saw my god

2374
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:41,280
I would be surprised he didn't think I'd

2375
01:36:46,010 --> 01:36:42,810
been drinking or something and we I was

2376
01:36:48,770 --> 01:36:46,020
crazy I mean this had me so freaked out

2377
01:36:51,020 --> 01:36:48,780
and here oh my god if I'd had my movie

2378
01:36:52,970 --> 01:36:51,030
camera on the 10-pound telephoto I would

2379
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:52,980
have had to spend several second

2380
01:36:57,230 --> 01:36:54,810
spanning across any one of these they

2381
01:36:59,810 --> 01:36:57,240
were so darn big in the sky it was like

2382
01:37:01,950 --> 01:36:59,820
something out of Independence Day I mean

2383
01:37:03,660 --> 01:37:01,960
it was that big in the sky

2384
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:03,670
in behind of it but but you know the

2385
01:37:08,610 --> 01:37:06,010
average person listening to the show ray

2386
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:08,620
and and I'm very aware of this

2387
01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:10,930
particular case and I've also had cases

2388
01:37:16,050 --> 01:37:13,630
where where people standing right next

2389
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:16,060
to other people can't see objects but I

2390
01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:17,770
would think in in a huge metropolitan

2391
01:37:22,830 --> 01:37:21,310
area the size of you know Washington DC

2392
01:37:25,290 --> 01:37:22,840
and the surrounding communities around

2393
01:37:28,140 --> 01:37:25,300
outs just outside the beltway that

2394
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:28,150
somebody anybody would have seen this

2395
01:37:32,970 --> 01:37:30,670
and at least reported it did MUFON

2396
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:32,980
getting you know you know now we did

2397
01:37:37,290 --> 01:37:35,110
there was a guy at the color park up at

2398
01:37:39,420 --> 01:37:37,300
the site but here's the thing keep this

2399
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:39,430
in mind not only is there this possible

2400
01:37:43,770 --> 01:37:42,010
Els Els extremely pretty like the

2401
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:43,780
suspect I mentioned it could affect the

2402
01:37:49,190 --> 01:37:46,570
brain and behavior and incarnate and in

2403
01:37:52,620 --> 01:37:49,200
cognition but there is another factor

2404
01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:52,630
reporting it mm-hmm listen most of the

2405
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:54,910
people here either work for the

2406
01:37:59,760 --> 01:37:57,730
government are are work for their

2407
01:38:02,280 --> 01:37:59,770
different contractors that are employed

2408
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:02,290
by the government and for you to start

2409
01:38:06,210 --> 01:38:04,120
going out and getting in the news media

2410
01:38:07,860 --> 01:38:06,220
saying you saw you know this thing was

2411
01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:07,870
15 degrees in this guy it looked like an

2412
01:38:13,380 --> 01:38:11,440
alien spaceship yeah I mean that's a

2413
01:38:15,810 --> 01:38:13,390
good explanation for a certain

2414
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:15,820
percentage of potential witnesses but

2415
01:38:19,770 --> 01:38:17,530
there's a lot of people that work at

2416
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:19,780
7-elevens they're their mechanics they

2417
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:20,950
don't have anything to do with the

2418
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:23,410
government I mean obviously especially

2419
01:38:29,190 --> 01:38:26,560
now with everybody got their faces you

2420
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,200
know like buried in their their iPhones

2421
01:38:33,090 --> 01:38:31,600
and stuff now you know it would be it

2422
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:33,100
would be a no-brainer why nobody would

2423
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:35,650
see it I've seen photographs of 50

2424
01:38:39,570 --> 01:38:37,690
college students walking down a sidewalk

2425
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:39,580
and not one of them is looking up

2426
01:38:43,110 --> 01:38:41,170
they're all looking into their phones

2427
01:38:44,970 --> 01:38:43,120
but this is back you know a number of

2428
01:38:47,250 --> 01:38:44,980
years ago and you would think at least

2429
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:47,260
somebody would have come forward or

2430
01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:51,070
click the picture or you know you would

2431
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:52,660
think oh they were they're equally

2432
01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:54,850
strange large things in the sky that I

2433
01:38:59,520 --> 01:38:56,050
have photographed around here and found

2434
01:39:01,260 --> 01:38:59,530
out that we had witnesses several miles

2435
01:39:03,290 --> 01:39:01,270
away there so exactly the same thing

2436
01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:03,300
that's another story I won't get into it

2437
01:39:07,020 --> 01:39:05,350
actually there's a number of them ray

2438
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:07,030
the vertical object you saw while you

2439
01:39:11,130 --> 01:39:09,010
were fossil hunting for instance as a

2440
01:39:13,980 --> 01:39:11,140
classic one which the photographs that

2441
01:39:15,550 --> 01:39:13,990
you took I think impressive you know

2442
01:39:17,170 --> 01:39:15,560
let's let's move on to some

2443
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,180
other subjects here right we do have

2444
01:39:22,690 --> 01:39:20,000
some questions by the way at forum dr.

2445
01:39:25,030 --> 01:39:22,700
Perik asked calm where our listeners of

2446
01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:25,040
the show can go on to the forum and ask

2447
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:27,710
questions of our guests and you know I

2448
01:39:32,380 --> 01:39:29,810
have a couple of questions here that I'd

2449
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:32,390
like to to pose here before our

2450
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:35,530
listeners and uh obviously there's uh

2451
01:39:39,820 --> 01:39:38,090
there's our one of our resident boo bird

2452
01:39:42,370 --> 01:39:39,830
that says well ray says he's been

2453
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:42,380
working on analyzing this stuff for four

2454
01:39:47,620 --> 01:39:45,290
years and and you know you know it's not

2455
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,630
proper science to bring it out ahead of

2456
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:49,520
time so why is he talking about it I'm

2457
01:39:53,860 --> 01:39:51,110
not even gonna deal with those because

2458
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:53,870
you know quite frankly I I don't really

2459
01:40:01,270 --> 01:39:57,610
have time for that you do not only

2460
01:40:04,210 --> 01:40:01,280
present your information to as he put it

2461
01:40:06,820 --> 01:40:04,220
UFO elite let me let me just make sure

2462
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:06,830
everybody understands that and you don't

2463
01:40:13,690 --> 01:40:10,130
have some sort of an exclusive club that

2464
01:40:16,270 --> 01:40:13,700
is privy to your ongoing work right now

2465
01:40:18,850 --> 01:40:16,280
and James Fox would be a good example of

2466
01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:18,860
somebody who I'm jealous of actually he

2467
01:40:22,780 --> 01:40:20,840
saw more of your presentation than I

2468
01:40:26,170 --> 01:40:22,790
have he spent more time with you I think

2469
01:40:30,190 --> 01:40:26,180
face time than I've spent with you in

2470
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:30,200
total well based on your this is a good

2471
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:33,410
question from techno-magic II who's been

2472
01:40:37,930 --> 01:40:35,570
a longtime poster he doesn't post very

2473
01:40:40,450 --> 01:40:37,940
often but he asked some good questions

2474
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,460
and based on your many years of research

2475
01:40:45,700 --> 01:40:43,280
in the UFO field do you have a theory as

2476
01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:45,710
to the origin and purpose of these

2477
01:40:51,970 --> 01:40:48,380
anomalous aerial objects or UFOs as he

2478
01:40:53,500 --> 01:40:51,980
posed it okay well you know if I had to

2479
01:40:56,290 --> 01:40:53,510
answer that I would answer this way I

2480
01:40:59,020 --> 01:40:56,300
would guess that there are multiple

2481
01:41:00,580 --> 01:40:59,030
sources there are any number of Stewart

2482
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:00,590
I could tell that might tend to pack

2483
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,050
that up but I mentioned two things one

2484
01:41:08,350 --> 01:41:05,360
is there was a case that I read a

2485
01:41:10,090 --> 01:41:08,360
daylight case in Hitler and I read

2486
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:10,100
virtually the same description of the

2487
01:41:15,460 --> 01:41:12,460
case in the southern United States

2488
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:15,470
separated by some years and they could

2489
01:41:19,570 --> 01:41:16,970
not have known of each other from the

2490
01:41:23,050 --> 01:41:19,580
literature because of the situation they

2491
01:41:24,970 --> 01:41:23,060
described a anomalous aerial object in

2492
01:41:27,850 --> 01:41:24,980
the skies and my preferred term in the

2493
01:41:29,259 --> 01:41:27,860
sky of a specific color and shape and a

2494
01:41:31,509 --> 01:41:29,269
second object of different

2495
01:41:33,489 --> 01:41:31,519
color and different shape and in both

2496
01:41:36,849 --> 01:41:33,499
cases you have the same descriptions and

2497
01:41:39,069 --> 01:41:36,859
in both cases the one object shoots what

2498
01:41:42,279 --> 01:41:39,079
appears to be a brilliant collimated

2499
01:41:44,469 --> 01:41:42,289
column of light at the other one and

2500
01:41:47,709 --> 01:41:44,479
there's a flash of light and it vanishes

2501
01:41:51,309 --> 01:41:47,719
now this well it sounds sounds like some

2502
01:41:53,409 --> 01:41:51,319
UFO warfare going on or somebody

2503
01:41:55,869 --> 01:41:53,419
protecting us from some others that are

2504
01:41:58,299 --> 01:41:55,879
they're not as friendly I don't know but

2505
01:42:00,250 --> 01:41:58,309
let me tell you a story my wife years

2506
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:00,260
before we got married I don't know if I

2507
01:42:03,129 --> 01:42:01,489
knew it back in this time period but

2508
01:42:05,589 --> 01:42:03,139
there was a friend of their family here

2509
01:42:07,869 --> 01:42:05,599
and she's one of seventeen siblings but

2510
01:42:09,129 --> 01:42:07,879
she and several of her siblings had

2511
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:09,139
flown around the country with a guy who

2512
01:42:13,599 --> 01:42:11,689
before he retired he was a u2 pilot for

2513
01:42:16,509 --> 01:42:13,609
the intelligence community he flew over

2514
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:16,519
Russia frequently great man and they

2515
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:19,010
were out at a night my wife dears an

2516
01:42:22,529 --> 01:42:20,719
amateur astronomer before she went

2517
01:42:26,049 --> 01:42:22,539
without the space telescope project and

2518
01:42:29,169 --> 01:42:26,059
she they were at a star party and he was

2519
01:42:31,509 --> 01:42:29,179
out there and somebody said well Bob his

2520
01:42:33,729 --> 01:42:31,519
name was Bob McCracken that Bob you know

2521
01:42:36,219 --> 01:42:33,739
you flew that you to all around the

2522
01:42:38,739 --> 01:42:36,229
world at incredible altitudes what do

2523
01:42:39,879 --> 01:42:38,749
you think about these UFOs he said well

2524
01:42:43,299 --> 01:42:39,889
all I'm going to say and I'm not gonna

2525
01:42:46,599 --> 01:42:43,309
say more so don't ask me but others say

2526
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:46,609
that we had better be very glad they're

2527
01:42:52,750 --> 01:42:50,089
here and that's all he would say now I

2528
01:42:54,419 --> 01:42:52,760
find that extremely intriguing to say

2529
01:42:58,209 --> 01:42:54,429
the least

2530
01:43:00,699 --> 01:42:58,219
so it would almost sound like maybe that

2531
01:43:02,799 --> 01:43:00,709
at least some of them might save us from

2532
01:43:06,369 --> 01:43:02,809
some other danger whether the danger is

2533
01:43:08,259 --> 01:43:06,379
us ourselves or there's something else

2534
01:43:10,989 --> 01:43:08,269
coming here I don't know I don't know

2535
01:43:14,409 --> 01:43:10,999
what Bob McCracken meant but that's an

2536
01:43:16,299 --> 01:43:14,419
intriguing and a statement and I'll say

2537
01:43:19,089 --> 01:43:16,309
this too I've mentioned this before and

2538
01:43:20,679 --> 01:43:19,099
I will be ultimately you will see these

2539
01:43:23,049 --> 01:43:20,689
pictures don't pose a need there there's

2540
01:43:25,269 --> 01:43:23,059
a time for things but we do have

2541
01:43:26,859 --> 01:43:25,279
pictures from movie films and still

2542
01:43:28,779 --> 01:43:26,869
pictures and some of them are pretty

2543
01:43:30,879 --> 01:43:28,789
darn good resolution they're not

2544
01:43:33,099 --> 01:43:30,889
butchered too well you can see inside

2545
01:43:35,259 --> 01:43:33,109
the domes of these things and there are

2546
01:43:37,989 --> 01:43:35,269
arguments in one case it looks more like

2547
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:37,999
a robot or something than than a

2548
01:43:45,610 --> 01:43:43,130
flesh-and-blood but in every case we

2549
01:43:47,379 --> 01:43:45,620
we have we have at least five different

2550
01:43:49,180 --> 01:43:47,389
let's say we have a part of different

2551
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:49,190
seeming occupants that we have

2552
01:43:53,740 --> 01:43:51,530
photographed in broad daylight and light

2553
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:53,750
and shadow pictures even I mean things

2554
01:43:58,540 --> 01:43:54,770
that honey would have been impressed by

2555
01:44:00,729 --> 01:43:58,550
and why are there not I now tell you out

2556
01:44:03,729 --> 01:44:00,739
of these there's not a single gray in

2557
01:44:05,140 --> 01:44:03,739
the bunch they're ours there were some

2558
01:44:06,490 --> 01:44:05,150
little guys that's apparently about two

2559
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:06,500
and a half feet tall that have a kind of

2560
01:44:08,830 --> 01:44:07,730
a lipo shaped head but they're not

2561
01:44:10,899 --> 01:44:08,840
grazed by any stretch the imagination

2562
01:44:14,169 --> 01:44:10,909
there apparently are smaller that was

2563
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:14,179
the parents and and there are others

2564
01:44:19,330 --> 01:44:17,330
that are but they're not grace and I

2565
01:44:20,740 --> 01:44:19,340
think they're coming from numbers of

2566
01:44:23,700 --> 01:44:20,750
different sources and some of them may

2567
01:44:26,169 --> 01:44:23,710
travel in here together others may come

2568
01:44:28,620 --> 01:44:26,179
independently when we look at the age of

2569
01:44:31,510 --> 01:44:28,630
the universe you know you'll hear a

2570
01:44:33,010 --> 01:44:31,520
stronger say well now you know maybe

2571
01:44:36,220 --> 01:44:33,020
yeah there are these things that that

2572
01:44:37,930 --> 01:44:36,230
might be coming here because I mean

2573
01:44:40,209 --> 01:44:37,940
we're a young civilization but let's

2574
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:40,219
think about this let's think about a

2575
01:44:44,830 --> 01:44:42,290
civilization this is not even a million

2576
01:44:47,979 --> 01:44:44,840
years before there were sons you know

2577
01:44:52,419 --> 01:44:47,989
way back way back before our Sun was

2578
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:52,429
formed and how advanced are they I am

2579
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:54,050
convinced from the things I have felt

2580
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:56,090
that these things are not that we had

2581
01:45:01,149 --> 01:44:58,159
better quit trying to put them in the

2582
01:45:05,140 --> 01:45:01,159
little box of our 1950s concept of what

2583
01:45:08,410 --> 01:45:05,150
I call the plastic alien spaceship these

2584
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:08,420
things are so damned awesome there are a

2585
01:45:12,490 --> 01:45:10,250
few thousand years or a few million

2586
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:12,500
years ahead of us they would be they

2587
01:45:17,890 --> 01:45:14,840
would be like gods from outer space they

2588
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:17,900
would appear as magic race stanford

2589
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:20,570
joins us for more segments to come

2590
01:45:37,829 --> 01:45:31,939
America's largest independently owned

2591
01:45:39,629 --> 01:45:37,839
communications network see Henry Ford

2592
01:45:41,339 --> 01:45:39,639
once said a man who stops advertising

2593
01:45:42,299 --> 01:45:41,349
save money is like a man who stops a

2594
01:45:43,889 --> 01:45:42,309
clock to save time

2595
01:45:46,139 --> 01:45:43,899
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2596
01:45:47,879 --> 01:45:46,149
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2597
01:45:49,379 --> 01:45:47,889
customize a national radio campaign

2598
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2599
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2600
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2601
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2605
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2607
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2609
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[Music]

2629
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:48,859
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2630
01:48:02,300 --> 01:47:53,210
standard of paranormal radio and now

2631
01:48:04,459 --> 01:48:02,310
here's Jane Steinberg with race stanford

2632
01:48:06,919 --> 01:48:04,469
once we get him going there's no

2633
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:06,929
stopping with this incredible

2634
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:09,449
information let's preside welcome back

2635
01:48:15,050 --> 01:48:12,690
ray hey good to be here well you know I

2636
01:48:18,350 --> 01:48:15,060
could go on more questions

2637
01:48:20,180 --> 01:48:18,360
techno mage tea you know again kind of

2638
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,190
poses the hypothetical question do you

2639
01:48:24,350 --> 01:48:21,840
believe it's extraterrestrial or is

2640
01:48:26,419 --> 01:48:24,360
there some other non-human I would say

2641
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:26,429
closed system intelligence theory that

2642
01:48:31,609 --> 01:48:29,159
accounts for facts better I'm dubious of

2643
01:48:34,609 --> 01:48:31,619
what Oklahoma centric systems that would

2644
01:48:36,649 --> 01:48:34,619
say these are us in our future to me you

2645
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:36,659
know it's kind of like the old theories

2646
01:48:40,939 --> 01:48:38,310
that you know the universe revolves

2647
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:40,949
around the earth is to man centric I'm

2648
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:42,270
not saying that that is not a

2649
01:48:46,879 --> 01:48:44,400
possibility but considering the

2650
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:46,889
diversity of crafts that we have seen in

2651
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:48,570
filmed and recorded electronically in

2652
01:48:54,620 --> 01:48:51,690
some cases these things are so diverse

2653
01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:54,630
and and that that I really think that

2654
01:49:00,770 --> 01:48:57,750
that is very complex and I don't like

2655
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:00,780
the term extraterrestrial because we

2656
01:49:07,070 --> 01:49:04,130
immediately think we jerk into you know

2657
01:49:07,459 --> 01:49:07,080
well as say The Day the Earth Stood

2658
01:49:09,740 --> 01:49:07,469
Still

2659
01:49:11,570 --> 01:49:09,750
into the concept of the alien landing in

2660
01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:11,580
a flying saucer you know he's got

2661
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:13,710
solution to earth and stone so it if we

2662
01:49:17,660 --> 01:49:16,080
look at a history of humankind you know

2663
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,670
that every time and a more

2664
01:49:21,260 --> 01:49:18,960
technologically advanced culture came

2665
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:21,270
across another one they got sucked I

2666
01:49:25,939 --> 01:49:24,090
mean I'm a great student of the

2667
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:25,949
pre-columbian cultures I'm fascinated by

2668
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:28,050
them but I know what happened to them in

2669
01:49:32,270 --> 01:49:30,570
the breakdown of their cultures when the

2670
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:32,280
Spanish came with their technology their

2671
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:34,530
guns as contrasting over just slingshots

2672
01:49:41,839 --> 01:49:39,360
and and Spears and you wonder well it

2673
01:49:44,180 --> 01:49:41,849
seems to me that that we need to realize

2674
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:44,190
that when these cultures get advanced

2675
01:49:50,060 --> 01:49:47,280
they may not have any sense of the gold

2676
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:50,070
that kind of goes that we think about we

2677
01:49:53,149 --> 01:49:51,630
think about if we go to a distant planet

2678
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:53,159
we find life what we would do we would

2679
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:54,719
quarantine ourselves to try to not

2680
01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:57,330
disturb their ecology we do this net but

2681
01:50:00,640 --> 01:49:58,460
we don't know

2682
01:50:02,020 --> 01:50:00,650
when a when I eat something a

2683
01:50:05,050 --> 01:50:02,030
civilizational whatever you want to call

2684
01:50:06,610 --> 01:50:05,060
it maybe it's a technological being that

2685
01:50:08,260 --> 01:50:06,620
is theirs come out of a civilization

2686
01:50:11,530 --> 01:50:08,270
that's gone over it's done whatever it

2687
01:50:13,450 --> 01:50:11,540
is we can't presuppose what its

2688
01:50:15,310 --> 01:50:13,460
motivations would do and what it might

2689
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:15,320
find to be just and what it might find

2690
01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:17,210
to be you might not know have a sense of

2691
01:50:21,580 --> 01:50:19,190
fun but on the other hand I've heard of

2692
01:50:22,540 --> 01:50:21,590
some cases let me mention a case that's

2693
01:50:25,540 --> 01:50:22,550
one of my favorites

2694
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:25,550
it's the Welles Allen Webb case it's

2695
01:50:29,950 --> 01:50:28,130
from Ohio late 60s don't we the exact

2696
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:29,960
day was in winter there have been heavy

2697
01:50:35,650 --> 01:50:33,650
snows and there was a mobile home where

2698
01:50:36,910 --> 01:50:35,660
a lady and her husband has done saved

2699
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:36,920
her husband was offered a student club

2700
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:39,110
meeting that night and the mother lived

2701
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,610
in the bigger house next door to the

2702
01:50:44,650 --> 01:50:42,800
mobile home and their pipes had frozen

2703
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:44,660
in the mobile homes so little Gregory

2704
01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:47,690
Wells who was 12 was asked to go across

2705
01:50:52,630 --> 01:50:50,450
with the insulated jug to get water from

2706
01:50:55,090 --> 01:50:52,640
from grandmother's house where the parts

2707
01:50:57,390 --> 01:50:55,100
were not frozen and so he started out

2708
01:51:00,400 --> 01:50:57,400
the front door and after a few moments

2709
01:51:03,130 --> 01:51:00,410
granion and mommy heard him scream and

2710
01:51:05,230 --> 01:51:03,140
they threw the door open and here was a

2711
01:51:07,450 --> 01:51:05,240
20-foot disc with reading mentions

2712
01:51:11,290 --> 01:51:07,460
around it Gregory was on the ground

2713
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:11,300
screaming on fire what he saw as he went

2714
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:13,010
down he stalled this object approaching

2715
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:15,410
and stopped he saw a rod out the bottom

2716
01:51:21,190 --> 01:51:18,050
of it was rotating and quite rightly he

2717
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:21,200
got the feeling is that that rod pointed

2718
01:51:25,660 --> 01:51:24,290
at him he was in trouble and he started

2719
01:51:27,850 --> 01:51:25,670
to run we had no time they got there and

2720
01:51:30,010 --> 01:51:27,860
it emitted I think the beam was red but

2721
01:51:31,420 --> 01:51:30,020
I'm not sure it beam that hit he had a

2722
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:31,430
thick it was so cold he had a thick

2723
01:51:35,950 --> 01:51:33,650
Mackinaw these big jackets on his plaid

2724
01:51:38,380 --> 01:51:35,960
big jackets and a sweatshirt under that

2725
01:51:39,940 --> 01:51:38,390
and a t-shirt under that it burned

2726
01:51:41,890 --> 01:51:39,950
through all of them and burned his

2727
01:51:44,890 --> 01:51:41,900
person second-degree burns into his

2728
01:51:47,170 --> 01:51:44,900
shoulder he screamed and totally rolled

2729
01:51:48,940 --> 01:51:47,180
in the snow but his mother and

2730
01:51:50,710 --> 01:51:48,950
grandmother they stepped out they saw

2731
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:50,720
this thing and immediately it's as if

2732
01:51:54,850 --> 01:51:53,450
the thing ceased to exist as if it had

2733
01:51:57,820 --> 01:51:54,860
an energy cellar and it may be like a

2734
01:51:59,980 --> 01:51:57,830
hot plasma this kind of a globe this red

2735
01:52:01,450 --> 01:51:59,990
glow of a bishop and all of a sudden it

2736
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:01,460
got caught in a wind that just blew away

2737
01:52:05,590 --> 01:52:03,410
in the wind no worse it was gone but he

2738
01:52:07,750 --> 01:52:05,600
left this energy shell of plasma I guess

2739
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:07,760
where it was if we can guess it all what

2740
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:10,730
it was and here was Gregory he managed

2741
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:12,170
to reach at where

2742
01:52:14,620 --> 01:52:13,340
or the Civic club meeting wasn't the

2743
01:52:16,030 --> 01:52:14,630
father came and got him and took him to

2744
01:52:17,380 --> 01:52:16,040
a doctor in the middle of the night and

2745
01:52:19,650 --> 01:52:17,390
the doctor said young man you just

2746
01:52:22,210 --> 01:52:19,660
better be glad you had that coat oh yeah

2747
01:52:23,770 --> 01:52:22,220
I'm surprised he said you would be

2748
01:52:25,690 --> 01:52:23,780
burned through the bone and probably the

2749
01:52:27,310 --> 01:52:25,700
bone if that had happened I am really

2750
01:52:28,780 --> 01:52:27,320
surprised I haven't heard of this before

2751
01:52:30,370 --> 01:52:28,790
yeah it's a wonderful case it was

2752
01:52:31,780 --> 01:52:30,380
published in the Aero phenomena research

2753
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:31,790
organizations bulletin that's been one

2754
01:52:34,810 --> 01:52:33,650
of my favorites and there's not the kind

2755
01:52:36,910 --> 01:52:34,820
of thing you faked you've got three

2756
01:52:37,900 --> 01:52:36,920
witnesses a mama a grandmother and the

2757
01:52:40,150 --> 01:52:37,910
two every old boy

2758
01:52:41,710 --> 01:52:40,160
yeah burnt clothing then you have second

2759
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:41,720
third-degree burns I mean that's right

2760
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:43,790
that's right and done hard to explain

2761
01:52:47,500 --> 01:52:45,890
that away wonderful case and it all

2762
01:52:50,440 --> 01:52:47,510
brings to mind of course all those cases

2763
01:52:51,940 --> 01:52:50,450
that Bob Pratt so thoroughly documents

2764
01:52:53,620 --> 01:52:51,950
in his book about the terrible things

2765
01:52:56,230 --> 01:52:53,630
that went on in Brazil that Jacques soir

2766
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:56,240
they also investigate this is not all

2767
01:52:59,710 --> 01:52:58,010
friendly it's not all Levin light it's

2768
01:53:01,810 --> 01:52:59,720
not all space brothers I'm going to

2769
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:01,820
leave me I mean people that try to

2770
01:53:06,130 --> 01:53:04,400
oversimplify I have to laugh some of the

2771
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:06,140
things that people you know claim and

2772
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:07,370
the claim they understand about this

2773
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:08,930
because the more I've learned that truth

2774
01:53:12,460 --> 01:53:10,370
matter is I've learned how to em little

2775
01:53:14,740 --> 01:53:12,470
I know it becomes more and more puzzling

2776
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:14,750
I see I learned a lot of facts but how

2777
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:16,490
much do I understand I understand

2778
01:53:19,570 --> 01:53:17,930
something of some of the physics of

2779
01:53:21,580 --> 01:53:19,580
these things and can talk about it and

2780
01:53:22,930 --> 01:53:21,590
show it doing the screen but what are

2781
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:22,940
they doing where are they here

2782
01:53:27,730 --> 01:53:25,850
yeah the motivation try to I don't try

2783
01:53:29,410 --> 01:53:27,740
it let me stick to try to fathom that I

2784
01:53:31,060 --> 01:53:29,420
just got to deal with the physical side

2785
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:31,070
of it is possible you know one of the

2786
01:53:35,620 --> 01:53:32,750
things I wonder about ray is the fact

2787
01:53:38,740 --> 01:53:35,630
that we have so-called ETS telling

2788
01:53:40,330 --> 01:53:38,750
people what we're here to express our

2789
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,340
concerns about the environment but

2790
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:42,320
they're visiting some unknown person in

2791
01:53:46,660 --> 01:53:44,000
some unknown City not the people in

2792
01:53:48,910 --> 01:53:46,670
authority who can even handle that the

2793
01:53:51,550 --> 01:53:48,920
point being here is it does appear

2794
01:53:53,290 --> 01:53:51,560
there's a fair amount of deception in

2795
01:53:54,510 --> 01:53:53,300
the UFO field when there is

2796
01:53:59,590 --> 01:53:54,520
communication

2797
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,600
happened and we don't always know why

2798
01:54:04,720 --> 01:54:02,000
should we believe ET why should we

2799
01:54:08,170 --> 01:54:04,730
expect them to tell us the truth right

2800
01:54:09,670 --> 01:54:08,180
oh absolutely I mean I keep telling

2801
01:54:12,610 --> 01:54:09,680
people they say well you know everybody

2802
01:54:14,350 --> 01:54:12,620
talks that's it look how well do you

2803
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:14,360
know your neighbor next door would you

2804
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:15,890
believe everything they told you well

2805
01:54:19,780 --> 01:54:17,450
this guy comes down in the spaceship

2806
01:54:21,610 --> 01:54:19,790
from God knows work what are you gonna

2807
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:21,620
believe that he says there are a lot of

2808
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:24,110
stories that people have told that you

2809
01:54:26,090 --> 01:54:25,370
know if they were talking to something

2810
01:54:27,620 --> 01:54:26,100
out there

2811
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,630
there are a lot of contradictory stories

2812
01:54:31,340 --> 01:54:29,760
a lot of stories like they were made to

2813
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,350
make the case look ridiculous later

2814
01:54:36,230 --> 01:54:33,360
there was the famous case I remember

2815
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:36,240
quite well on August 20th 1953 I think

2816
01:54:39,410 --> 01:54:38,010
it was there were some guys that two

2817
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:39,420
guys they claimed they were up in I

2818
01:54:43,010 --> 01:54:41,340
think was Colorado and they saw this

2819
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:43,020
craft come down in these documents these

2820
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,210
small occupants and they told them we're

2821
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:46,800
going to come on the 20th every month so

2822
01:54:49,820 --> 01:54:48,000
you know come back and see us

2823
01:54:50,660 --> 01:54:49,830
well of course they told the pizza meet

2824
01:54:52,730 --> 01:54:50,670
here and the meeting went out there

2825
01:54:54,620 --> 01:54:52,740
nothing he showed up you know it's like

2826
01:54:56,540 --> 01:54:54,630
well oh so the guys are lying but my

2827
01:54:57,800 --> 01:54:56,550
question is if the guys are lying why

2828
01:54:59,240 --> 01:54:57,810
would they have said that because there

2829
01:55:02,090 --> 01:54:59,250
wouldn't be a UFO showing up what they

2830
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,100
make up a lie like that good question

2831
01:55:07,790 --> 01:55:05,040
well here's a question from cosmonaut

2832
01:55:09,710 --> 01:55:07,800
what information have you discovered ray

2833
01:55:12,770 --> 01:55:09,720
about alien abductions that's not

2834
01:55:15,110 --> 01:55:12,780
generally known this this kind of you

2835
01:55:16,820 --> 01:55:15,120
know brings us to the realm of potential

2836
01:55:19,250 --> 01:55:16,830
agendas and if we are dealing with

2837
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:19,260
something non-human that's off planet

2838
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:21,690
what could their possible motivations be

2839
01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:23,130
you kind of hinted around it some

2840
01:55:27,740 --> 01:55:25,320
possibilities there before but what do

2841
01:55:29,570 --> 01:55:27,750
you think well I don't know exactly what

2842
01:55:33,020 --> 01:55:29,580
to think let me just make a few comments

2843
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:33,030
on that I first place I have to laugh at

2844
01:55:37,370 --> 01:55:35,370
that looks like you know I respect very

2845
01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:37,380
powerful the good working dead but I

2846
01:55:42,290 --> 01:55:39,060
think he got a little far out in his

2847
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:42,300
last books and he talks about all we got

2848
01:55:45,260 --> 01:55:43,890
you just look in your legging you see

2849
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:45,270
heaviness your abductor you look you'll

2850
01:55:48,770 --> 01:55:46,890
see a little dent there in your leg and

2851
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:48,780
you know this is where they were taking

2852
01:55:54,290 --> 01:55:52,110
a genetic sample well I'm sorry and he

2853
01:55:56,660 --> 01:55:54,300
shows those pictures of things I think

2854
01:55:57,740 --> 01:55:56,670
on his legs and tell other others well

2855
01:55:59,180 --> 01:55:57,750
I'm sorry that does people think to me

2856
01:56:02,030 --> 01:55:59,190
in the first place when we get a little

2857
01:56:04,220 --> 01:56:02,040
Nick's like that in her childhood we

2858
01:56:06,260 --> 01:56:04,230
forget them and people can fantasize

2859
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:06,270
that they were abducted well let me ask

2860
01:56:09,470 --> 01:56:07,920
them if they're going to say they were

2861
01:56:11,090 --> 01:56:09,480
there to take a genetic sample why did

2862
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:11,100
they just stick the q-tip in their mouth

2863
01:56:15,650 --> 01:56:13,410
and gets it alive instead of digging

2864
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:15,660
into their leg to get it yeah really how

2865
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:18,450
medieval well you say the problem ray is

2866
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:21,440
they haven't watched the CSI TV show oh

2867
01:56:26,930 --> 01:56:24,480
that's right any of these shows where

2868
01:56:28,730 --> 01:56:26,940
they show how simple it is to get DNA

2869
01:56:30,770 --> 01:56:28,740
samples or you give them a cup of water

2870
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:30,780
and you get the fingerprints and

2871
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:34,170
everything from the cup oh yeah yeah yep

2872
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:35,280
I've got a cup right here in my office

2873
01:56:38,750 --> 01:56:37,020
Dublin state which famous person is from

2874
01:56:40,010 --> 01:56:38,760
but he drank coughing while he was here

2875
01:56:41,570 --> 01:56:40,020
and I've still got his cup and

2876
01:56:46,670 --> 01:56:41,580
the famous person a lot of people thanks

2877
01:56:49,100 --> 01:56:46,680
connected with well you know okay so we

2878
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:49,110
take that cup we can see whether he has

2879
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:52,410
any alien DNA right right yeah okay well

2880
01:56:55,940 --> 01:56:53,850
we'll send someone over chris is gonna

2881
01:56:58,220 --> 01:56:55,950
fly over tomorrow and he's gonna do that

2882
01:57:01,130 --> 01:56:58,230
no he's not you see I've already

2883
01:57:02,420 --> 01:57:01,140
committing Chris wait sometimes I think

2884
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:02,430
these guys in the intelligence community

2885
01:57:08,810 --> 01:57:06,090
do but do things to laugh at us or to

2886
01:57:12,140 --> 01:57:08,820
dude just punch our buttons and see what

2887
01:57:14,990 --> 01:57:12,150
we will do the fact is that we call them

2888
01:57:19,700 --> 01:57:15,000
an intelligence community it's just a

2889
01:57:21,380 --> 01:57:19,710
yeah it's an oxymoron exactly we

2890
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,390
had a break right now we have race

2891
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:23,520
Stanford lots more to cover in the

2892
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:25,920
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questions from our audience Chris you

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want to maybe get to one or two sure you

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know I think Rey what we need to do is

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is differentiate between types of

2994
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phenomenal events that are lumped

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together in a particular UFO category

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02:02:21,050 --> 02:02:19,290
and there's been a couple of interesting

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articles that have come out in the last

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few days about the Eze Dolan lights and

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there's been a new movie that was

3000
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released a month ago based on the Brown

3001
02:02:31,580 --> 02:02:29,910
Mountain lights and some of the legends

3002
02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:31,590
that have been associated with it

3003
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:33,810
loosely I might add do you think that

3004
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:36,239
ball of light phenomenon like has Dallin

3005
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:38,730
or brown mountain where witnesses often

3006
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:40,320
feel that there are no material objects

3007
02:02:44,630 --> 02:02:42,330
involved are actually related to nuts

3008
02:02:46,580 --> 02:02:44,640
and bolts types of UFOs I think that

3009
02:02:49,550 --> 02:02:46,590
most of them may be related to natural

3010
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:49,560
phenomena let me give an example I

3011
02:02:52,910 --> 02:02:51,360
haven't heard from in years he may not

3012
02:02:55,310 --> 02:02:52,920
be among us physically still but there

3013
02:02:57,380 --> 02:02:55,320
was a wonderful friend physicist David

3014
02:02:59,750 --> 02:02:57,390
fields which I drove him that was David

3015
02:03:01,570 --> 02:02:59,760
energy fields but he was a physicist who

3016
02:03:03,770 --> 02:03:01,580
worked for years and retired from

3017
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:03,780
apparently from Oak Ridge National

3018
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:05,730
Laboratory fact he's when they got me in

3019
02:03:09,020 --> 02:03:07,170
there and did some interesting image

3020
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:09,030
processing on some of my UFO pictures

3021
02:03:11,390 --> 02:03:10,290
there and I got an invitation hey if you

3022
02:03:15,439 --> 02:03:11,400
ever want to come back you're quite

3023
02:03:17,150 --> 02:03:15,449
welcome but I didn't but anyway he and

3024
02:03:19,479 --> 02:03:17,160
his colleagues and I they had an

3025
02:03:22,189 --> 02:03:19,489
organization they call the isochronous

3026
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:22,199
something their network that means that

3027
02:03:26,660 --> 02:03:23,850
they would study things that occurred

3028
02:03:29,300 --> 02:03:26,670
simultaneously in time but anyway they

3029
02:03:31,479 --> 02:03:29,310
went out to brown mountain and they have

3030
02:03:34,689 --> 02:03:31,489
pasta sized that these were some

3031
02:03:38,180 --> 02:03:34,699
piezoelectric effect and so they

3032
02:03:40,189 --> 02:03:38,190
deposited some dynamite in a crevice

3033
02:03:42,020 --> 02:03:40,199
somewhere I think it was I don't they

3034
02:03:44,330 --> 02:03:42,030
drill I think was a privilege anyway and

3035
02:03:46,939 --> 02:03:44,340
if from a distance they ignited the

3036
02:03:49,130 --> 02:03:46,949
dynamite but they did observe that it

3037
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:49,140
caused this is not proof of anything but

3038
02:03:52,820 --> 02:03:50,610
that it did cause

3039
02:03:55,610 --> 02:03:52,830
electric light emissions above the

3040
02:03:58,520 --> 02:03:55,620
surface of the the that port of a

3041
02:04:01,490 --> 02:03:58,530
mountain also it's interesting to note

3042
02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:01,500
you've heard of the the Alpine Marfa

3043
02:04:05,570 --> 02:04:04,050
lights out in Southwest Texas near

3044
02:04:07,610 --> 02:04:05,580
gallant health Ames they've been there

3045
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:07,620
for at least a hundred years if not

3046
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:09,330
longer I'd people have seen him for you

3047
02:04:14,540 --> 02:04:11,130
know before we had flying technology and

3048
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:14,550
so but what people don't know generally

3049
02:04:17,930 --> 02:04:16,290
speaking is that there's a range of

3050
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:17,940
mountains that extends right down there

3051
02:04:21,980 --> 02:04:19,920
and that's a name right off the south

3052
02:04:25,070 --> 02:04:21,990
end of it these mountains are called a

3053
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:25,080
glass mountains and right up north of

3054
02:04:29,090 --> 02:04:27,360
the highway some ways is a huge impact

3055
02:04:30,650 --> 02:04:29,100
structure I forget the name of it but I

3056
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:30,660
stayed that because I'm into meteorites

3057
02:04:36,830 --> 02:04:33,570
and impacts and the huge impact

3058
02:04:38,930 --> 02:04:36,840
structure and the fossils that I was

3059
02:04:40,580 --> 02:04:38,940
told well they they call the glass

3060
02:04:44,060 --> 02:04:40,590
mounts because those fossils look like

3061
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:44,070
they're made of glass well they probably

3062
02:04:49,250 --> 02:04:46,290
are it may be bit refined but for

3063
02:04:50,450 --> 02:04:49,260
example at the in the the big impact

3064
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:50,460
structure in Germany where there's two

3065
02:04:54,490 --> 02:04:52,110
cities right inside the what they call

3066
02:04:56,450 --> 02:04:54,500
the research vessel from which the

3067
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:56,460
terrestrial rock was knocked up that

3068
02:04:59,690 --> 02:04:58,320
fell down and became them they motivate

3069
02:05:02,330 --> 02:04:59,700
some of which are pretty green and

3070
02:05:04,460 --> 02:05:02,340
transparent but anyway you have fossils

3071
02:05:07,070 --> 02:05:04,470
in fact in my collection that are glass

3072
02:05:08,300 --> 02:05:07,080
from the impact well I think that those

3073
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:08,310
have the glass mountains many of them

3074
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,280
may also be lastly may be vitrified to

3075
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:12,960
the agreed now that people don't realize

3076
02:05:16,580 --> 02:05:14,490
I think at the age is very old impact

3077
02:05:19,190 --> 02:05:16,590
but I think that the way that impact

3078
02:05:21,260 --> 02:05:19,200
they have shifted those mountains that

3079
02:05:23,990 --> 02:05:21,270
you're still getting a tectonic stress

3080
02:05:25,910 --> 02:05:24,000
across them right now is a light effects

3081
02:05:27,620 --> 02:05:25,920
right and with temperature variations as

3082
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:27,630
the day changes into the cooler nights

3083
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:28,850
no still reading you get a

3084
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:31,290
redistribution of the stress you

3085
02:05:38,210 --> 02:05:32,880
probably get some piezoelectric

3086
02:05:40,460 --> 02:05:38,220
emissions and that may be - a lot of

3087
02:05:42,650 --> 02:05:40,470
dryer that's right very dry well you

3088
02:05:44,990 --> 02:05:42,660
brought up the interesting word fossil

3089
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:45,000
now ray I think many of our listeners

3090
02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:47,850
are aware of you know really you're

3091
02:05:54,650 --> 02:05:52,020
becoming infamous now in in the

3092
02:05:58,850 --> 02:05:54,660
scientific community for some of your

3093
02:06:01,700 --> 02:05:58,860
uncanny abilities to look down within

3094
02:06:03,740 --> 02:06:01,710
inside the beltway in Washington DC and

3095
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:03,750
find trackways and

3096
02:06:07,970 --> 02:06:06,090
prints of dinosaurs that lay down you

3097
02:06:10,220 --> 02:06:07,980
know tens of millions of years ago that

3098
02:06:11,690 --> 02:06:10,230
probably thousands hundred tens of

3099
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:11,700
thousands of people have walked over and

3100
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:12,480
never noticed

3101
02:06:17,950 --> 02:06:14,850
now I've often you know when people say

3102
02:06:20,180 --> 02:06:17,960
well you know okay ray yeah you know

3103
02:06:22,100 --> 02:06:20,190
academia and the scientific community

3104
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:22,110
has you know has acknowledged his

3105
02:06:28,640 --> 02:06:25,410
ability to to find tracks on the ground

3106
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:28,650
well my standard response is well what

3107
02:06:33,650 --> 02:06:30,320
do you think happens when Ray looks up

3108
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:33,660
you know I mean as above so below and

3109
02:06:38,900 --> 02:06:36,210
and I've championed your ability your

3110
02:06:41,900 --> 02:06:38,910
observational acuity your ability to not

3111
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:41,910
only detect evidence but to analyze it

3112
02:06:47,060 --> 02:06:44,610
give us a thumbnail sketch of some of

3113
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:47,070
your recent work in the in your dinosaur

3114
02:06:51,770 --> 02:06:49,320
trackways or if not knowledge of work

3115
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:51,780
and you know where we are with the

3116
02:06:56,090 --> 02:06:54,090
famous you know tracks that you found at

3117
02:06:58,700 --> 02:06:56,100
the Goddard Space Flight Center and in

3118
02:07:01,730 --> 02:06:58,710
stop construction of their new their new

3119
02:07:03,200 --> 02:07:01,740
headquarters well let me let me I'm glad

3120
02:07:05,900 --> 02:07:03,210
you give me a chance to to my little

3121
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:05,910
horn here only a few things though one

3122
02:07:11,090 --> 02:07:08,850
of my favorite things is the I found the

3123
02:07:12,920 --> 02:07:11,100
only hatchling notice or an armored

3124
02:07:14,900 --> 02:07:12,930
dinosaur that ever been found in the

3125
02:07:17,450 --> 02:07:14,910
entire world and it's the only hatchling

3126
02:07:20,540 --> 02:07:17,460
of any type of dinosaur been found in

3127
02:07:22,490 --> 02:07:20,550
the entire eastern United States and it

3128
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:22,500
has been under peer review published in

3129
02:07:27,380 --> 02:07:25,650
the Journal of paleontology and with my

3130
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:27,390
wonderful co-author dr. David wire

3131
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:29,610
sample of Johns Hopkins University

3132
02:07:32,990 --> 02:07:31,290
University who's one of the best known

3133
02:07:35,480 --> 02:07:33,000
dancer researchers most highly recorded

3134
02:07:37,790 --> 02:07:35,490
in the world and so we published this it

3135
02:07:40,010 --> 02:07:37,800
was accepted we we made a total

3136
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:40,020
precedent because never in history had

3137
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:42,330
anybody except it gotten except for

3138
02:07:46,730 --> 02:07:44,010
publication in fact they even hadn't

3139
02:07:48,500 --> 02:07:46,740
tried to publish this dynastar we have

3140
02:07:51,170 --> 02:07:48,510
no bones and no teeth we have the

3141
02:07:54,110 --> 02:07:51,180
natural casts and the natural modes of

3142
02:07:55,790 --> 02:07:54,120
the bones and the cranium and even the

3143
02:07:59,570 --> 02:07:55,800
details down to the end of some of the

3144
02:08:01,610 --> 02:07:59,580
little uncle's earth claws the the right

3145
02:08:04,100 --> 02:08:01,620
foot for example I was at the back foot

3146
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:04,110
anyway we published this we it was

3147
02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:06,570
accepted under peer review and we

3148
02:08:11,870 --> 02:08:08,490
challenged the world to begin to look at

3149
02:08:13,730 --> 02:08:11,880
places were asked to do the this all has

3150
02:08:15,620 --> 02:08:13,740
destroyed the bones and maybe even the

3151
02:08:17,210 --> 02:08:15,630
teeth us in this case because it was

3152
02:08:19,940 --> 02:08:17,220
very tight so it's easy to destroy

3153
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:19,950
but where it's been preserved as natural

3154
02:08:24,350 --> 02:08:22,770
molds and casts and we hope therefore to

3155
02:08:26,090 --> 02:08:24,360
set a precedent that will put a new

3156
02:08:28,610 --> 02:08:26,100
front of discovery in paleontology

3157
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:28,620
anyway it was published and Johns

3158
02:08:32,210 --> 02:08:29,850
Hopkins Medical University had a

3159
02:08:35,120 --> 02:08:32,220
beautiful news release on it and I'm

3160
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:35,130
happy to say that it is firmly displayed

3161
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:36,930
in the National Museum of Natural

3162
02:08:41,090 --> 02:08:39,330
History Smithsonian Institution Bradley

3163
02:08:42,890 --> 02:08:41,100
with my own photograph they're sitting

3164
02:08:44,840 --> 02:08:42,900
in front of some dinosaur tracks and

3165
02:08:46,580 --> 02:08:44,850
beside a little notice our footprint

3166
02:08:48,530 --> 02:08:46,590
that I gave them is from a much older

3167
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:48,540
dinosaur than the hatchling and I have

3168
02:08:52,220 --> 02:08:49,920
also in my living room I have another

3169
02:08:54,230 --> 02:08:52,230
notice our hatchling that I found and

3170
02:08:55,820 --> 02:08:54,240
these are right inside the decent felt

3171
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:55,830
worry where nobody ever dreamed anywhere

3172
02:09:03,170 --> 02:08:57,690
is gonna be finding dinosaurs except in

3173
02:09:04,850 --> 02:09:03,180
Congress oh yes you know it astonishes

3174
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,860
people in the first place we look back

3175
02:09:08,900 --> 02:09:06,960
to the history penological here some of

3176
02:09:09,950 --> 02:09:08,910
the most famous paleontologists that

3177
02:09:12,020 --> 02:09:09,960
ever worked in eastern United States

3178
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:12,030
walk to these same streams where I've

3179
02:09:16,820 --> 02:09:15,210
found over 1,000 dinosaur in pterosaur

3180
02:09:19,670 --> 02:09:16,830
that's most people no mascara tackle

3181
02:09:23,170 --> 02:09:19,680
traction and even some wonderful mammal

3182
02:09:26,210 --> 02:09:23,180
tracks only on the world scale of

3183
02:09:28,670 --> 02:09:26,220
absolutely a were first for example I

3184
02:09:30,410 --> 02:09:28,680
have the largest mammal tracks ever

3185
02:09:33,710 --> 02:09:30,420
found in the age of the dinosaurs the

3186
02:09:36,290 --> 02:09:33,720
Mesozoic these are out of the production

3187
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:36,300
formation Potomac group and they are

3188
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:38,010
about a hundred and twelve million years

3189
02:09:43,850 --> 02:09:40,560
old and yet one of them that we

3190
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:43,860
published it's so beautiful it's it's

3191
02:09:48,650 --> 02:09:45,930
barely the back foot of a marsupial

3192
02:09:50,810 --> 02:09:48,660
mammal and it's vastly low it's not only

3193
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:50,820
the finest detailed mammal track ever

3194
02:09:55,010 --> 02:09:52,800
found in the entire ages I searched but

3195
02:09:56,510 --> 02:09:55,020
it apparently is pretty well diagnostic

3196
02:09:58,700 --> 02:09:56,520
certainly probably as a mammal but

3197
02:10:01,160 --> 02:09:58,710
definitely as a mammal that had a back

3198
02:10:03,320 --> 02:10:01,170
foot like the old possum adapted to

3199
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climbing trees because it has an opposed

3200
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:06,360
digit one on the back foot we've got a

3201
02:10:10,640 --> 02:10:08,490
break now you can talk more about this

3202
02:10:12,260 --> 02:10:10,650
creature in a next segment I would

3203
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:12,270
mention the Washington Post this story

3204
02:10:17,990 --> 02:10:15,360
about ray he is the real deal here about

3205
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his paleontology ok he's a real deal

3206
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about the UFOs this sure is with gene

3207
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and Chris you're in a pair of cast

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a little rise a little laugh but always

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independent-minded

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could use it for slideshows you could

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cameras or from scanners need to do some

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[Music]

3315
02:15:04,610 --> 02:15:01,630
so we've changed his hat to the other

3316
02:15:06,270 --> 02:15:04,620
one he wears which is race Stanford

3317
02:15:10,920 --> 02:15:06,280
paleontologists you were talking about

3318
02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:10,930
this marsupial like creature is it right

3319
02:15:16,920 --> 02:15:14,170
that's right yes this is gonna really

3320
02:15:20,070 --> 02:15:16,930
rock the paleontological world when it

3321
02:15:21,930 --> 02:15:20,080
has believe me uh let me say that the

3322
02:15:24,450 --> 02:15:21,940
the curator of dinosaurs of the

3323
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:24,460
Smithsonian was here and he's thought he

3324
02:15:28,530 --> 02:15:26,290
said right this is worthy of the cover

3325
02:15:30,540 --> 02:15:28,540
of nature which is the premier Sunday

3326
02:15:33,390 --> 02:15:30,550
magazine in the world but I have larger

3327
02:15:35,850 --> 02:15:33,400
mammal tracks too but we can get back to

3328
02:15:38,970 --> 02:15:35,860
the ancient flying things not objects

3329
02:15:40,740 --> 02:15:38,980
but organic living things most people

3330
02:15:42,720 --> 02:15:40,750
know what we in science called

3331
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:42,730
parrot called pterosaurs they know them

3332
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:45,280
as pterodactyls because he won the first

3333
02:15:51,150 --> 02:15:48,730
geniuses of terra servus fan was like

3334
02:15:53,850 --> 02:15:51,160
for example Pterodactylus couch I was a

3335
02:15:55,620 --> 02:15:53,860
small pterodactyl that lived back in the

3336
02:15:58,470 --> 02:15:55,630
it was well as possible stylist don't

3337
02:16:01,560 --> 02:15:58,480
hop inquiry and in Bavaria but the thing

3338
02:16:03,540 --> 02:16:01,570
is I have found a footprint I left

3339
02:16:05,640 --> 02:16:03,550
footprints and has been confirmed by

3340
02:16:08,580 --> 02:16:05,650
numerous paleontologists professors have

3341
02:16:11,580 --> 02:16:08,590
seen it it is the largest footprint of a

3342
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:11,590
pterosaur ever found in the entire world

3343
02:16:16,200 --> 02:16:14,290
it is bigger than the famous Deluth all

3344
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:16,210
pterosaurs is found in West Texas called

3345
02:16:21,060 --> 02:16:18,730
appropriately quetzalcoatlus northropi

3346
02:16:23,790 --> 02:16:21,070
after Northup happy asian because it had

3347
02:16:26,250 --> 02:16:23,800
a wingspan of over 35 feet but this one

3348
02:16:29,670 --> 02:16:26,260
had a wingspan of over 40 feet and

3349
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:29,680
weighed some hundreds of pounds and it

3350
02:16:33,660 --> 02:16:31,210
is magnificent it even has the

3351
02:16:36,959 --> 02:16:33,670
compression pattern of the interdigital

3352
02:16:40,379 --> 02:16:36,969
membrane though webbing on its a left

3353
02:16:41,700 --> 02:16:40,389
front foot imprint and you can even see

3354
02:16:43,950 --> 02:16:41,710
the imprint of where the wing finger

3355
02:16:46,860 --> 02:16:43,960
digit four went up inside the body you

3356
02:16:48,510 --> 02:16:46,870
see the imprint it made in the mud as it

3357
02:16:50,580 --> 02:16:48,520
turned upward to go up beside the body

3358
02:16:52,500 --> 02:16:50,590
as the creature was walking forward now

3359
02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:52,510
what is important about this knot is the

3360
02:16:57,810 --> 02:16:55,599
biggest in the world but what is really

3361
02:17:00,180 --> 02:16:57,820
amazing is it is 112 million years old

3362
02:17:03,270 --> 02:17:00,190
it was thought until we fell I found

3363
02:17:05,610 --> 02:17:03,280
this that the largest pterosaurs existed

3364
02:17:09,330 --> 02:17:05,620
at the end of the Cretaceous 65 million

3365
02:17:11,100 --> 02:17:09,340
ago when the doubles the age yeah yeah

3366
02:17:12,750 --> 02:17:11,110
right and so here's the thing I mean

3367
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:12,760
here's this giant Paras are bigger than

3368
02:17:16,290 --> 02:17:14,290
any that's been found even at the end

3369
02:17:19,530 --> 02:17:16,300
they was living here a hundred and

3370
02:17:22,140 --> 02:17:19,540
twelve million years ago and icing on

3371
02:17:24,390 --> 02:17:22,150
the cake I have two wonderfully huge

3372
02:17:26,100 --> 02:17:24,400
feeding traces of this darest our

3373
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:26,110
weather is huge this particular type of

3374
02:17:30,840 --> 02:17:28,719
pterosaur did not have teeth they would

3375
02:17:33,209 --> 02:17:30,850
stick their beak down into the sand and

3376
02:17:34,919 --> 02:17:33,219
mud and pick out whatever is living

3377
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:34,929
there bubbly mollusk they could crush

3378
02:17:38,700 --> 02:17:37,120
and eat a crayfish I don't know what

3379
02:17:40,770 --> 02:17:38,710
else they might have gotten the heels or

3380
02:17:42,690 --> 02:17:40,780
what else but they they would leave

3381
02:17:45,300 --> 02:17:42,700
distinctive traces where they beat went

3382
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:45,310
down and pulled out and some of these

3383
02:17:49,620 --> 02:17:47,110
the substrate is spend enough you see

3384
02:17:51,570 --> 02:17:49,630
the wonderful telltale of the dynamics

3385
02:17:53,700 --> 02:17:51,580
from the bottom side of it what it was

3386
02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:53,710
doing under the surface as well as he

3387
02:17:57,240 --> 02:17:54,850
turned it over and you see what it was

3388
02:17:59,250 --> 02:17:57,250
doing on the top of the surface and we

3389
02:18:00,750 --> 02:17:59,260
have to feeding traces that are big

3390
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:00,760
enough that they certainly could have

3391
02:18:07,020 --> 02:18:03,250
come from this huge Terrace are just the

3392
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:07,030
front foot print is is over 15 inches

3393
02:18:13,850 --> 02:18:10,210
long well and if you look at that you've

3394
02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:13,860
got to have a wing get that's a big bird

3395
02:18:18,540 --> 02:18:15,730
yeah big bird

3396
02:18:20,190 --> 02:18:18,550
well ray you also I think you you're the

3397
02:18:23,459 --> 02:18:20,200
only person that's ever discovered a

3398
02:18:27,150 --> 02:18:23,469
flying reptile that has left traces of

3399
02:18:30,090 --> 02:18:27,160
their the small clawed hands in the

3400
02:18:32,370 --> 02:18:30,100
wings actually in that of left traces

3401
02:18:34,980 --> 02:18:32,380
where they were looking for food or

3402
02:18:36,480 --> 02:18:34,990
something actually defeating traces I

3403
02:18:38,550 --> 02:18:36,490
might have been the first likely

3404
02:18:39,870 --> 02:18:38,560
published somewhat he was here and I

3405
02:18:40,980 --> 02:18:39,880
showed him to these and after that he

3406
02:18:42,030 --> 02:18:40,990
came up with the paper some they were

3407
02:18:43,860 --> 02:18:42,040
out west that he might have already

3408
02:18:45,150 --> 02:18:43,870
known about but I don't know if he had

3409
02:18:46,830 --> 02:18:45,160
realized what they were I can't claim

3410
02:18:50,129 --> 02:18:46,840
that he probably did but we don't know

3411
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:50,139
but people had found the front the

3412
02:18:54,690 --> 02:18:52,090
defense of pterosaurs before I've done

3413
02:18:56,610 --> 02:18:54,700
them but I am the only person that has

3414
02:18:59,879 --> 02:18:56,620
found them east of the Mississippi and I

3415
02:19:01,890 --> 02:18:59,889
have Oh probably party party some out of

3416
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:01,900
them now and some of them are quite

3417
02:19:06,750 --> 02:19:03,760
small probably from very small species

3418
02:19:08,459 --> 02:19:06,760
and we can tell by both the shape of the

3419
02:19:10,890 --> 02:19:08,469
Manus the front foot or the Pez the back

3420
02:19:13,410 --> 02:19:10,900
foot that we have several species

3421
02:19:15,300 --> 02:19:13,420
several distinctive species represented

3422
02:19:17,730 --> 02:19:15,310
and we can even tell from studying these

3423
02:19:18,900 --> 02:19:17,740
how they they tended for example about

3424
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:18,910
two-thirds of the weight of these

3425
02:19:21,180 --> 02:19:19,450
creatures

3426
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:21,190
they walked on the surface was on their

3427
02:19:24,990 --> 02:19:23,290
front feet but they used their back feet

3428
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:25,000
in shoving and I can show you several

3429
02:19:29,640 --> 02:19:27,130
traces was there how they they had to

3430
02:19:31,530 --> 02:19:29,650
shovel the back deep possibly to get

3431
02:19:33,300 --> 02:19:31,540
them launched it was quite an effort

3432
02:19:35,610 --> 02:19:33,310
they were not the most graceful takeoff

3433
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:35,620
in the world but they had to do some

3434
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,450
pretty good shoving with their back feet

3435
02:19:40,530 --> 02:19:39,040
and a pretty good snarf probably with

3436
02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:40,540
the front feet as well there's been one

3437
02:19:44,850 --> 02:19:42,370
scientific paper that a paleontologist

3438
02:19:46,350 --> 02:19:44,860
render mine is published on that but we

3439
02:19:48,780 --> 02:19:46,360
have some some good evidence in the

3440
02:19:50,761 --> 02:19:48,790
tracks here and it's wonderful to to be

3441
02:19:52,650 --> 02:19:50,771
able to look in and you almost have a

3442
02:19:53,940 --> 02:19:52,660
time machine and you can look back some

3443
02:19:56,190 --> 02:19:53,950
of these things are so clear and

3444
02:19:58,140 --> 02:19:56,200
wonderful for example they're spur

3445
02:20:00,390 --> 02:19:58,150
around the edge of this big marsupial

3446
02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:00,400
track that I talked about you and then

3447
02:20:04,410 --> 02:20:02,170
there's nothing bigger that's on the

3448
02:20:07,230 --> 02:20:04,420
same substrate as a big dinosaur track

3449
02:20:10,350 --> 02:20:07,240
there and you see his the fur and that

3450
02:20:12,180 --> 02:20:10,360
one is fully as big as the large for

3451
02:20:13,591 --> 02:20:12,190
example Mountain Lion tracks that we

3452
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:13,601
found when I was on an expedition down

3453
02:20:17,430 --> 02:20:15,280
into this letter that be Naqada area

3454
02:20:19,560 --> 02:20:17,440
south of Arizona in the Mexican desert

3455
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:19,570
where the craters are out there we saw

3456
02:20:23,640 --> 02:20:21,610
big tracks to it mount Alana and this

3457
02:20:25,320 --> 02:20:23,650
this guy has a footprint totally as big

3458
02:20:27,210 --> 02:20:25,330
as a mountain lion and he's a mammal I

3459
02:20:28,801 --> 02:20:27,220
mean I showed this to dr. wife sample

3460
02:20:29,940 --> 02:20:28,811
for example last time he was here and he

3461
02:20:32,671 --> 02:20:29,950
said right there's no question that's

3462
02:20:34,410 --> 02:20:32,681
not a reptile that's my hole well that

3463
02:20:37,230 --> 02:20:34,420
kind of begs a question we've had a

3464
02:20:40,051 --> 02:20:37,240
number of reports over the years down in

3465
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:40,061
West Texas for instance downed around

3466
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:42,250
the Great Bend area and other places in

3467
02:20:46,290 --> 02:20:44,170
the Four Corners area but people

3468
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:46,300
reporting what appear to be of flying

3469
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:49,210
dinosaurs or flying reptiles that appear

3470
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:51,760
to be of like a pterodactyl or a

3471
02:20:56,610 --> 02:20:54,970
pterosaur a body shape of course the the

3472
02:20:58,530 --> 02:20:56,620
rope I think they were called in New

3473
02:21:00,660 --> 02:20:58,540
Guinea there's a number of these types

3474
02:21:02,881 --> 02:21:00,670
of creatures that have been alleged to

3475
02:21:04,890 --> 02:21:02,891
have been seen over the years what are

3476
02:21:08,131 --> 02:21:04,900
the chances of you know a living

3477
02:21:10,620 --> 02:21:08,141
dinosaur hunting to them say get get me

3478
02:21:13,650 --> 02:21:10,630
a good credible movie there's not in

3479
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:13,660
Photoshop but I'm skeptical on the other

3480
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:15,970
hand I would be delighted I would love

3481
02:21:20,881 --> 02:21:18,010
to me one well maybe not not the one

3482
02:21:23,250 --> 02:21:20,891
with the 40-foot wingspan but you know I

3483
02:21:24,480 --> 02:21:23,260
like to meet one but you know and I hope

3484
02:21:26,940 --> 02:21:24,490
they're I hope they're telling the truth

3485
02:21:28,171 --> 02:21:26,950
but I've seen one alleged movie down I

3486
02:21:29,820 --> 02:21:28,181
think in New Zealand

3487
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:29,830
supposedly of territory and they're not

3488
02:21:33,149 --> 02:21:31,840
they're just gigantic fruit bats that

3489
02:21:35,160 --> 02:21:33,159
live down there know

3490
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yeah we'll understand there's a big

3491
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difference in the in destructor of a bat

3492
02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:39,250
swing from a pterosaur swing quite them

3493
02:21:45,620 --> 02:21:42,010
yeah no I just asked something way out

3494
02:21:49,019 --> 02:21:45,630
of the blue we had Loren Coleman on the

3495
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:49,029
cryptozoologists few weeks ago and I

3496
02:21:56,389 --> 02:21:50,890
asked him and Chris asked him about

3497
02:21:58,649 --> 02:21:56,399
Mothman okay and he said owls that's it

3498
02:22:00,599 --> 02:21:58,659
conventional things what's your

3499
02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:00,609
impression of Mothman well he also said

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keels uh you know literary prowess yeah

3501
02:22:10,679 --> 02:22:06,550
yeah well yeah I think he's quite right

3502
02:22:11,969 --> 02:22:10,689
probably Bellini I am the first bicylist

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02:22:13,469 --> 02:22:11,979
bear in mind I think the first things

3504
02:22:15,809 --> 02:22:13,479
Mothman were published by the notorious

3505
02:22:19,139 --> 02:22:15,819
gray Barker let me tell you a little

3506
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:19,149
anecdote sure Adamski sent me a letter

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with a copy of a letter he said I have

3508
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received a letter from a member of the

3509
02:22:29,460 --> 02:22:27,699
State Department uh any straight okay

3510
02:22:31,019 --> 02:22:29,470
I'll tell you we've already covered this

3511
02:22:33,149 --> 02:22:31,029
yeah but let me tell you what happened

3512
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:33,159
nobody knew what it was at that time as

3513
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soon as I got it from TA as we call the

3514
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dams me Oh as soon as I got it I called

3515
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my friend Jon the cornice and John this

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02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:42,729
is a hoax from gray Barker I said look

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the type on the typewriter is the same

3518
02:22:49,710 --> 02:22:47,470
and the indentation is the same I said

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02:22:51,809 --> 02:22:49,720
this is one of gray Barker's looping

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hoaxes and of course now it's you know

3521
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:53,109
within the well known it was but I

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02:22:57,059 --> 02:22:55,210
spotted it and called it that over

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02:22:58,800 --> 02:22:57,069
probably fifteen years before anybody

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02:23:00,780 --> 02:22:58,810
knew that it was a great Parker hope of

3525
02:23:04,320 --> 02:23:00,790
course it was actually Jim Mosley angry

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02:23:06,719 --> 02:23:04,330
I was gonna say sharing all sorts of

3527
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alcoholic beverages got ahold of this

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stationery and gray bark ooh you see had

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02:23:14,820 --> 02:23:12,340
a very distinctive writing style did

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that never varied no matter what he

3531
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wrote and when you read the strafed

3532
02:23:21,870 --> 02:23:18,550
letter the one that he sends a George

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02:23:23,609 --> 02:23:21,880
Adamski yep that was gray bark ER I read

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02:23:25,139 --> 02:23:23,619
that letter yes and I said you know what

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02:23:27,420 --> 02:23:25,149
this looks like Barker and I went over

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to Jim Mosely and Jim Mosely and I were

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very close friends especially in the 60s

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the late sixties I even worked for him

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it was my first paid gig working for Jim

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Mosley had a saucer news magazine and I

3541
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said Jim what's the story here it reads

3542
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like gray Barker and then he told me

3543
02:23:46,529 --> 02:23:44,739
what he later revealed to everybody else

3544
02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:46,539
after gray Barker died

3545
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he and gray wrote a number of letters

3546
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not just to George Adamski but to

3547
02:23:56,129 --> 02:23:53,469
quarrel Lorenzen of the aerial phenomena

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02:23:59,209 --> 02:23:56,139
research organization grey was visited

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02:24:01,499 --> 02:23:59,219
by the FBI did he steal government

3550
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stationery they actually got it from

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someone who I think was the son of a

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congressman it's a long story but we get

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the picture

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we have race stanford who straddles a

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couple of worlds here UFO research and

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paleontology and excels at both with

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gene and Chris you're in the para cast

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independently leading the way for the

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attack of the rock AIDS has been well

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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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02:29:02,010 --> 02:29:00,059
this is our final segment of this

3659
02:29:04,830 --> 02:29:02,020
episode ray I know when we get you on

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the show man time flies way just like a

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big old pterosaur time compression

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that's it it really feels like four

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hours but because of time compression

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it's only a half hour yeah well if

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you've got any final questions or

3666
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statements or why don't you tell us what

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you're up to and you know so many people

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have been just you know just champion at

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the bit to see a DVD something anything

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but you know I tried to induce James Fox

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and uh and considering using some modern

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stuff instead of old blue book stuff in

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the movie so well it focuses on the blue

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book unidentified so we can't do that

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but I showed him as you said the goodies

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and so this should show to people that I

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am willing and ready when the right

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situation that comes when I know I'm

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dealing with people that will present it

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in an objective and honest way it would

3681
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do critical analysis and I have come in

3682
02:30:06,780 --> 02:30:03,609
James he's a fine guy and I like him

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very much and I regarding what I am

3684
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doing I am direct this play I am aware

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of my mortality I mean I will be 76 in

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Jesus way and I desperately am trying to

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figure a way to get the attention of the

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right people and to do this you can't

3689
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it's so good the evidence that and let

3690
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me say I can I can prove this in a

3691
02:30:35,700 --> 02:30:32,140
moment here but it's so good that the

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scientific people the after physicists

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aerospace engineers they accept they

3694
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recognize this immediately

3695
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it shakes them to the core and you have

3696
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presented this information to some

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people that we can't name but are super

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high I mean some of the top echelon

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people in our space program have already

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seen your evidence you name names but I

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won't right well good yep yeah indeed

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indeed and the they have become very

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interested and for example one of them

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does a lot of flying on his business but

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the NASA I mean he he

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he says I carry my camera and watch out

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the windows ray I absolutely do and they

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have been turned oh well I I to show you

3709
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how fearless I am about this we're going

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to I have of course I addressed in

3711
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February 1st 2013 I was asked to speak

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and presented my dinosaur presentation

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to the it's called the NASA NASA Goddard

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Space Flight Center science colloquium

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lecture series and there's been some

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mighty and important people lectured

3717
02:31:43,660 --> 02:31:41,690
there but I was privileged to be asked

3718
02:31:45,671 --> 02:31:43,670
and I presented and went over extremely

3719
02:31:47,470 --> 02:31:45,681
well and by the way if anybody wants to

3720
02:31:48,970 --> 02:31:47,480
see that Chris would you be willing or

3721
02:31:50,711 --> 02:31:48,980
either one of you two puppies on your

3722
02:31:53,230 --> 02:31:50,721
site the link to my whole presentation

3723
02:31:55,501 --> 02:31:53,240
if people can see how I talk about the

3724
02:31:57,251 --> 02:31:55,511
dinosaur stuff used to link to the NASA

3725
02:31:59,921 --> 02:31:57,261
presentation would you I'll tell you

3726
02:32:03,310 --> 02:31:59,931
what we can do here is we have a link

3727
02:32:05,470 --> 02:32:03,320
obviously to this episode so you send

3728
02:32:07,810 --> 02:32:05,480
Chris that link I will embed it

3729
02:32:10,421 --> 02:32:07,820
somewhere so people in our forums in our

3730
02:32:13,001 --> 02:32:10,431
main site can get this link and check it

3731
02:32:15,881 --> 02:32:13,011
out fantastic and I am now working to

3732
02:32:17,860 --> 02:32:15,891
try to undo the damage that was done to

3733
02:32:20,350 --> 02:32:17,870
the big notice our track I found there

3734
02:32:22,631 --> 02:32:20,360
that became the fourth most scary news

3735
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:22,641
story in the world one day year before

3736
02:32:28,841 --> 02:32:25,730
last and some damage was done to it and

3737
02:32:31,211 --> 02:32:28,851
they have contracted me to to try to

3738
02:32:33,190 --> 02:32:31,221
correct this damage and get it ready

3739
02:32:34,360 --> 02:32:33,200
along with other tracks that were found

3740
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:34,370
at Goddard Space Flight Center they're

3741
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:36,080
about 95 million years old those there

3742
02:32:41,291 --> 02:32:38,570
and we're going to have a set up a

3743
02:32:44,230 --> 02:32:41,301
display from the display in the the

3744
02:32:45,610 --> 02:32:44,240
beautiful quite new earth science

3745
02:32:48,341 --> 02:32:45,620
building at Goddard Space Flight Center

3746
02:32:50,980 --> 02:32:48,351
of the tracks that are found there so

3747
02:32:52,961 --> 02:32:50,990
that will be nice isn't it sad ray that

3748
02:32:55,810 --> 02:32:52,971
there are people out there who will

3749
02:32:58,900 --> 02:32:55,820
insist maintained that the earth is only

3750
02:33:01,150 --> 02:32:58,910
6,000 years old Oh indeed it is not only

3751
02:33:02,381 --> 02:33:01,160
sad but it worries me because I see

3752
02:33:04,690 --> 02:33:02,391
these people getting more and more into

3753
02:33:06,940 --> 02:33:04,700
politics and I'll tell you I fear them

3754
02:33:09,041 --> 02:33:06,950
as much as I fear the extremists of any

3755
02:33:10,900 --> 02:33:09,051
other religion it can get so extreme

3756
02:33:13,180 --> 02:33:10,910
it's frightening and the irrationality

3757
02:33:16,990 --> 02:33:13,190
that we see in some of these people is

3758
02:33:19,450 --> 02:33:17,000
absolutely right it's b.f ugly if you

3759
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:19,460
know a B F stands for I'm not sure but I

3760
02:33:23,020 --> 02:33:22,250
can guess well find that because this is

3761
02:33:26,171 --> 02:33:23,030
a clean

3762
02:33:30,100 --> 02:33:26,181
family radio show right well it really

3763
02:33:32,950 --> 02:33:30,110
gets my my goat in my IR up when we talk

3764
02:33:35,921 --> 02:33:32,960
about this subject it's just I mean our

3765
02:33:38,110 --> 02:33:35,931
poor kids that are growing up being just

3766
02:33:40,180 --> 02:33:38,120
you know with a kaleidoscope called the

3767
02:33:43,841 --> 02:33:40,190
Internet they have no points of

3768
02:33:45,940 --> 02:33:43,851
reference they have no filters I mean

3769
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:45,950
we're really we're selling our future

3770
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:49,280
down down the road I think with the way

3771
02:33:54,970 --> 02:33:52,250
the culture is you know just totally

3772
02:33:56,921 --> 02:33:54,980
muddy in the waters and and you know in

3773
02:34:00,211 --> 02:33:56,931
the case of you know the creationist I

3774
02:34:02,230 --> 02:34:00,221
mean to me it's its borders on criminal

3775
02:34:04,780 --> 02:34:02,240
well you know I understand we're not

3776
02:34:07,390 --> 02:34:04,790
attacking anyone's right to hold a

3777
02:34:09,761 --> 02:34:07,400
particular political or religious belief

3778
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:09,771
right I mean believe in what you want

3779
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:12,080
and as long as you don't practice or

3780
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:14,960
believe in hate feel free to agree with

3781
02:34:19,870 --> 02:34:17,330
what we say or do feel free to disagree

3782
02:34:22,091 --> 02:34:19,880
and we know many of you listeners make

3783
02:34:23,530 --> 02:34:22,101
your viewpoints known either way I'm

3784
02:34:27,100 --> 02:34:23,540
getting to the point where I'm really

3785
02:34:31,091 --> 02:34:27,110
hating the fact that creationism this

3786
02:34:33,310 --> 02:34:31,101
this medieval I mean it's harkening back

3787
02:34:36,341 --> 02:34:33,320
to the 12th century 11th century or

3788
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:36,351
something to end before the very fact

3789
02:34:41,140 --> 02:34:38,960
that these types of the quality of

3790
02:34:44,501 --> 02:34:41,150
thinking is getting traction in our

3791
02:34:47,530 --> 02:34:44,511
culture is horrific oh yes if the

3792
02:34:48,881 --> 02:34:47,540
governor of Texas had his say evolution

3793
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:48,891
would be eradicated from the textbooks

3794
02:34:53,350 --> 02:34:51,290
and you know a 6,000 year old world or

3795
02:34:55,030 --> 02:34:53,360
so would be presented well you know the

3796
02:34:58,301 --> 02:34:55,040
governor of Texas still hasn't figured

3797
02:35:03,220 --> 02:34:58,311
the third government agency he'd kill if

3798
02:35:07,211 --> 02:35:03,230
he were elected president oh yeah well I

3799
02:35:10,360 --> 02:35:07,221
you know again I I don't want to you

3800
02:35:13,060 --> 02:35:10,370
know impinge on anyone's right to to

3801
02:35:14,680 --> 02:35:13,070
believe you know politically or

3802
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:14,690
religious you know in a religious sense

3803
02:35:21,790 --> 02:35:17,690
but I mean come on I mean science is

3804
02:35:23,711 --> 02:35:21,800
science and you know I'm sure you know I

3805
02:35:26,200 --> 02:35:23,721
think ray would agree that there are

3806
02:35:29,680 --> 02:35:26,210
problems with evolution as a theory

3807
02:35:31,060 --> 02:35:29,690
certain aspects of it I mean are open to

3808
02:35:34,860 --> 02:35:31,070
interpretation there may be some

3809
02:35:36,809 --> 02:35:34,870
problems but if you compare that to a

3810
02:35:39,510 --> 02:35:36,819
reality view that the earth

3811
02:35:43,500 --> 02:35:39,520
is somewhere around 6,000 years old I

3812
02:35:47,309 --> 02:35:43,510
mean to me it is so ludicrous and if our

3813
02:35:51,059 --> 02:35:47,319
kids any of our kids are gonna grow up

3814
02:35:53,969 --> 02:35:51,069
with that as their primary reality view

3815
02:35:55,619 --> 02:35:53,979
you know I'm me and I'm glad I'm not

3816
02:35:57,300 --> 02:35:55,629
gonna be around for it well of course

3817
02:35:59,790 --> 02:35:57,310
what happens is they grow up to be

3818
02:36:02,699 --> 02:35:59,800
elected to Congress or they can talk

3819
02:36:05,340 --> 02:36:02,709
about the fact that you have something

3820
02:36:08,460 --> 02:36:05,350
called legitimate rape and then if a

3821
02:36:10,739 --> 02:36:08,470
woman is sexually abused our system will

3822
02:36:15,420 --> 02:36:10,749
automatically shut the process down oh

3823
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:15,430
yeah faith and belief here

3824
02:36:22,229 --> 02:36:20,560
oh my Andy we're getting into politics

3825
02:36:24,540 --> 02:36:22,239
here Jeanne and I know what happens when

3826
02:36:28,679 --> 02:36:24,550
we get into politics we get into trouble

3827
02:36:30,899 --> 02:36:28,689
yes like with Loren Coleman we spent

3828
02:36:33,989 --> 02:36:30,909
about one minute talking about gun

3829
02:36:36,029 --> 02:36:33,999
control Oh in it and then one listener

3830
02:36:38,250 --> 02:36:36,039
posts a message in our forms when I

3831
02:36:42,750 --> 02:36:38,260
heard that I stopped listening to the

3832
02:36:45,329 --> 02:36:42,760
show duh yeah well I don't know I felt

3833
02:36:48,149 --> 02:36:45,339
sad about it I'll send him a 30 round

3834
02:36:51,059 --> 02:36:48,159
mag and he can go rock and roll out on

3835
02:36:54,559 --> 02:36:51,069
his you know his gun range or something

3836
02:36:58,920 --> 02:36:54,569
as long as he doesn't go elsewhere race

3837
02:37:01,619 --> 02:36:58,930
next one for myself and then I'll buy an

3838
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:01,629
extra thirty round mag for myself just

3839
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:03,850
don't point it my way okay old friend I

3840
02:37:08,429 --> 02:37:06,010
have never shot a real gun I don't

3841
02:37:10,229 --> 02:37:08,439
intend to race Stanford are you're gonna

3842
02:37:13,139 --> 02:37:10,239
have a website or somewhere we can check

3843
02:37:15,500 --> 02:37:13,149
out online no I'm sorry to say that I

3844
02:37:17,550 --> 02:37:15,510
don't I'm kind of a computer clutch

3845
02:37:19,380 --> 02:37:17,560
someone wants to get a hold of you

3846
02:37:21,889 --> 02:37:19,390
someone wants to get in touch with you

3847
02:37:25,109 --> 02:37:21,899
radar can they reach you anywhere then

3848
02:37:26,460 --> 02:37:25,119
if they want to reach me don't send him

3849
02:37:28,920 --> 02:37:26,470
a message there won't be read

3850
02:37:30,809 --> 02:37:28,930
though this but he's elated but they can

3851
02:37:33,210 --> 02:37:30,819
reach me at the dinosaur tracker at

3852
02:37:35,369 --> 02:37:33,220
Horizon dotnet dinosaur tracker I've

3853
02:37:37,380 --> 02:37:35,379
Verizon that man okay that's right and

3854
02:37:39,899 --> 02:37:37,390
Chris O'Brien we can find him everywhere

3855
02:37:42,659 --> 02:37:39,909
because he's done like 2000 radio shows

3856
02:37:44,819 --> 02:37:42,669
on his new book stalking the herd but he

3857
02:37:48,869 --> 02:37:44,829
still comes back here I can't wait to

3858
02:37:50,190 --> 02:37:48,879
get Ray's critique on my book he's got a

3859
02:37:51,841 --> 02:37:50,200
copy and he

3860
02:37:53,250 --> 02:37:51,851
not talking much about it let me quickly

3861
02:37:54,570 --> 02:37:53,260
tell you one thing you should have left

3862
02:37:56,850 --> 02:37:54,580
that stupid picture out of there that

3863
02:37:58,350 --> 02:37:56,860
fake picture of a skeletal structure

3864
02:38:00,000 --> 02:37:58,360
with it with the head of something that

3865
02:38:04,620 --> 02:38:00,010
has only air tightness exoskeleton

3866
02:38:06,180 --> 02:38:04,630
namely a shrimp like a dinner that's the

3867
02:38:08,940 --> 02:38:06,190
most ridiculous thing I wish you'd left

3868
02:38:11,430 --> 02:38:08,950
that out if you want to find out more

3869
02:38:13,381 --> 02:38:11,440
ridiculous pictures there aren't any the

3870
02:38:16,171 --> 02:38:13,391
others are pretty good our strange

3871
02:38:18,330 --> 02:38:16,181
planet calm our strange planet calm

3872
02:38:20,341 --> 02:38:18,340
that's Chris's blog you can buy a copy

3873
02:38:23,341 --> 02:38:20,351
of the book there and the advantage over

3874
02:38:25,591 --> 02:38:23,351
Amazon if you buy the copy from Chris he

3875
02:38:27,660 --> 02:38:25,601
will autograph it you can check us out

3876
02:38:30,480 --> 02:38:27,670
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3877
02:38:33,270 --> 02:38:30,490
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3878
02:38:35,341 --> 02:38:33,280
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3879
02:38:38,490 --> 02:38:35,351
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3880
02:38:41,700 --> 02:38:38,500
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3881
02:38:43,261 --> 02:38:41,710
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3882
02:38:50,980 --> 02:38:43,271
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3883
02:38:56,750 --> 02:38:53,469
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3884
02:38:59,900 --> 02:38:56,760
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3885
02:39:02,890 --> 02:38:59,910
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3886
02:39:06,620 --> 02:39:02,900
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